Thread: First bull tahr opportunity?

@kukuwai if greens get back in i can see a big push in the next few years to target game animal numbers on all doc land. I can also see some farms been told to reduce deer numbers in the near future.

Originally Posted by bigbear

@kukuwai if greens get back in i can see a big push in the next few years to target game animal numbers on all doc land. I can also see some farms been told to reduce deer numbers in the near future.

Yep, I hate the thought of it.

We need to protect the resources we have not exterminate them.



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Originally Posted by kukuwai

Yep, I hate the thought of it.

We need to protect the resources we have not exterminate them.



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We need to show we can manage them so they don't exterminate them, we will need help to reduce numbers and all rec hunters need to do their part.

Population doubles every 3 years.....even choppers won't get them all...will just be harder to find them in slips so will have to learn to bush hunt for those that can't already.....

Agree they will have to out pressure on farms

Hamish

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Originally Posted by HNTMAD

We need to show we can manage them so they don't exterminate them, we will need help to reduce numbers and all rec hunters need to do their part.

Population doubles every 3 years.....even choppers won't get them all...will just be harder to find them in slips so will have to learn to bush hunt for those that can't already.....

Agree they will have to out pressure on farms

Hamish

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Access is the biggest problem. Nearly everywhere that there are big numbers of game animals access is controlled across farms or the access corridors require a big walk before reaching DOC. Places with good access have lower numbers

Originally Posted by HNTMAD

We need to show we can manage them so they don't exterminate them, we will need help to reduce numbers and all rec hunters need to do their part.

Population doubles every 3 years.....even choppers won't get them all...will just be harder to find them in slips so will have to learn to bush hunt for those that can't already.....

Agree they will have to out pressure on farms

Hamish

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May I suggest a level of care is needed when making such statements. Population doubling every three years is subject to so many things. That should be qualified. It also varies species to species too. I would also suggest that the issue we are discussing is not about killing enough to try and change the views of those who would have every game animal gone. This is a way bigger topic than simply needing to kill more to get the antis on side. What is needed is for people to rationally and kindly come to a collective decision where no one is really happy but the animal numbers are being managed proactively in line with the environment for a long term solution.

Originally Posted by Hiawatha

May I suggest a level of care is needed when making such statements. Population doubling every three years is subject to so many things. That should be qualified. It also varies species to species too. I would also suggest that the issue we are discussing is not about killing enough to try and change the views of those who would have every game animal gone. This is a way bigger topic than simply needing to kill more to get the antis on side. What is needed is for people to rationally and kindly come to a collective decision where no one is really happy but the animal numbers are being managed proactively in line with the environment for a long term solution.

You can suggest what you like, this is just my opinion and I don't like being told to pull my horns in (excuse the pun) just because I have a different view to the mainstream.

The idea of a forum is to be able to discuss topics and often there are multiple sides to a topic.

Truth of the matter is we have an issue and the issue is we as rec hunters are our worst own enemy and don't shoot enough to keep any and all pests under control and do and will need help in what ever form it comes in to get them under control.

You speak of coming together as a group ....how's that going? 250,000 license firearms holders and 8000 national members of the NZDA......bit of work to do there in my view.....and yes I am a member.

I will stick to shooting whatever I see and do my bit, sure I can hear you say....."what about when they are gone".....well by the time that happens I will be broken and unable to get out......."what about your kids and their kids"......look at history, they can't get them all.

Hamish

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Originally Posted by HNTMAD

You can suggest what you like, this is just my opinion and I don't like being told to pull my horns in (excuse the pun) just because I have a different view to the mainstream.

The idea of a forum is to be able to discuss topics and often there are multiple sides to a topic.

Truth of the matter is we have an issue and the issue is we as rec hunters are our worst own enemy and don't shoot enough to keep any and all pests under control and do and will need help in what ever form it comes in to get them under control.

You speak of coming together as a group ....how's that going? 250,000 license firearms holders and 8000 national members of the NZDA......bit of work to do there in my view.....and yes I am a member.

I will stick to shooting whatever I see and do my bit, sure I can hear you say....."what about when they are gone".....well by the time that happens I will be broken and unable to get out......."what about your kids and their kids"......look at history, they can't get them all.

Hamish

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Ohhh. Must have caught you on a bad day Or are you feeling a bit picked on? I actually agree totally with you with regard to animal numbers and especially in the bush. They are not being reduced enough in some areas as you say. My point was more around the fact that that we should never kid ourselves that hunters shooting a ton of animals will change some people's attitudes as to whether game animals should be here full stop. We can kill nearly everything and they will still feel the same way about the remaining few. I think that a mix of what you and I are both talking about is needed. I am often walking past stags now to shoot hinds. And if the bush needs it and there are two, then I shoot two. Best thing you can do. We need to get away from the stag shooting mentality when we are after meat. More tucker per animal and better ratios of stags to hinds makes for healthier animals and a better roar when you do want to have some fun with stags.