Thread: Forest & Bird v The Wapiti Herd

The Sika Foundation man did a chat at BoP NZDA meeting last Tues - they are apparently looking longer term at getting Sika into the HOSI setup as well. There was talk that if the legal action went ahead with the Wap herd that Sika would be next so it's a positive move I think (as long as it doesn't result in more animosity and more potshots at deer management in the future).

One thing that needs to be noted, is that on the face of it F&B actually have a fair point about the legality of the current management setup - it isn't right and it does need sorting as an adhoc management structure with no legal foundation or protection just doesn't work in this era.

Originally Posted by No.3

The Sika Foundation man did a chat at BoP NZDA meeting last Tues - they are apparently looking longer term at getting Sika into the HOSI setup as well. There was talk that if the legal action went ahead with the Wap herd that Sika would be next so it's a positive move I think (as long as it doesn't result in more animosity and more potshots at deer management in the future).

One thing that needs to be noted, is that on the face of it F&B actually have a fair point about the legality of the current management setup - it isn't right and it does need sorting as an adhoc management structure with no legal foundation or protection just doesn't work in this era.

Fuck That!!! DOC says were going to 1080 this bit or that bit Sika foundation then has to choose a spot to 1080 - easy scenario to envisage

watched an 1hr long speak cam speedy gave at a deer stalkers club and the whole to many hinds doesn't ring true where ive hunted sika and the ideal number is 2 or 3 hinds to 1 stag how do you achieve this? yup only by culling

From his profile page
"His training and work experience over the past 30 years through Massey University , New Zealand Forest Service , Department of Conservation
and in the private and corporate sectors has given him a wealth of knowledge and practical experience."
so greenie in a different suit

Originally Posted by Carbine

Fuck That!!! DOC says were going to 1080 this bit or that bit Sika foundation then has to choose a spot to 1080 - easy scenario to envisage

watched an 1hr long speak cam speedy gave at a deer stalkers club and the whole to many hinds doesn't ring true where ive hunted sika and the ideal number is 2 or 3 hinds to 1 stag how do you achieve this? yup only by culling

From his profile page
"His training and work experience over the past 30 years through Massey University , New Zealand Forest Service , Department of Conservation
and in the private and corporate sectors has given him a wealth of knowledge and practical experience."
so greenie in a different suit

Cam speaks way more sense than you.
He talks as a ecologist, scientist, and a hunter.
He sees situations for what they are, has scientific evidence to back up his comments, and doesn't have blinkers on.

7mmwsm you are right - as hunters we should not fear culling of deer numbers - DOC have stated many times and on their web site they will not use 1080 to control deer numbers -so it will be Contract hunters and helicopter shoot to kill - now they dont have a big budget so I believe it will be somewhat limited and focused on high priority areas - recreational hunters cannot control the high deer numbers we have thats fact - we are day dreaming if we think that - but we can try to get hunters a better deal to see if that lifts hunter success - better access - better hunter education - and no bountys tails some payment to rec hunters a complete waste of money and DOC know it - simply not going to happen - a meat / pet food industry so hunters can sell deer would be a help - but guys and girls we have the best hunting now than we have ever had - if you had tried in the seventies in the height of the helicopter days deer were damn hard to find - get out there and enjoy