The Future for Molesworth - DOC survey & actions.

You may recall DOC put out a survey regarding the future of Molesworth last year. Results now released.
I'm not holding my breath.

https://www.doc.govt.nz/molesworth-survey

They state ....
Next steps
DOC is working in partnership with Te Rūnanga o Kaikōura to develop the next steps for considering future management options. DOC is also working closely with the Nelson Marlborough Conservation Board and the Molesworth Steering Committee (which advises on the management of Molesworth).

The survey results are being taken into account in considering options for Molesworth’s future manage

I translate this to mean "DOC & local iwi will do what we wanted any way ...but thanks muppets for your comments."
Maybe I'm getting too cynical in my old age ?!:pacman:

Quote..Molesworth is an iconic high-country station. It is owned by the public of New Zealand and managed by DOC on your behalf.

Lol.hahaha.....yup mate,...[I]m getting the same way...Cynical

What have DoC done with the great big NZDA survey kill management report and data?

I have a concern thst DoC may be looking to sell or lease a chunk of our land to tourism interests. Hope Im wrong.

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Originally Posted by Woody

I have a concern thst DoC may be looking to sell or lease a chunk of our land to tourism interests. Hope Im wrong.

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Big push for tourism. Last year we had 3.8 million tourists pass through our country and by 2025 they hope to increase the numbers by another 1.6 million. Our conservation land could become very restricted in some areas for hunting, coz they will want to push the loopies further into it to spread the load. Take a look at what they are trying to do around Mt Cook, increase the number of operational flights for one.

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Originally Posted by Mathias

Big push for tourism. Last year we had 3.8 million tourists pass through our country and by 2025 they hope to increase the numbers by another 1.6 million. Our conservation land could become very restricted in some areas for hunting, coz they will want to push the loopies further into it to spread the load. Take a look at what they are trying to do around Mt Cook, increase the number of operational flights for one.

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What about the carbon footprint that they rave about, or do they conveniently let it slide for tourism.

The tourists are spending their carbon footprint here but we will pay the tax for them. Is that how it works?

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Originally Posted by tetawa

What about the carbon footprint that they rave about, or do they conveniently let it slide for tourism.

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They all like to travel. A hippy mate of mine was here recently. She is really lovely. She started telling us about a workshop she did at a festival where they were all about zero waste and how you can get your annual waste into a mason jar. Both my wife and I said straight away "but you could not move!". Que awkward silence. I have had this so many times it is not funny. Preachy foreigners who just got off a long haul flight.

Long story short it is all bullshit and they will keep burning the jet fuel and preaching. Can't get to NZ without a huge carbon footprint and can't promote NZ tourism without encouraging it.

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Originally Posted by Tussock

They all like to travel. A hippy mate of mine was here recently. She is really lovely. She started telling us about a workshop she did at a festival where they were all about zero waste and how you can get your annual waste into a mason jar. Both my wife and I said straight away "but you could not move!". Que awkward silence. I have had this so many times it is not funny. Preachy foreigners who just got off a long haul flight.

Long story short it is all bullshit and they will keep burning the jet fuel and preaching. Can't get to NZ without a huge carbon footprint and can't promote NZ tourism without encouraging it.

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Things usually go really quiet when I politely point out if they really want to help the planet then best thing they can possibly do is to drop dead right now, zero carbon foot print then :)

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Originally Posted by Friwi

The tourists are spending their carbon footprint here but we will pay the tax for them. Is that how it works?

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Forgot about paying for their rescue. And paying for the poo disposal of the freedom campers.

Carbon footprint.... How many kids have you had... And grandkids... (stopped at least one lady with this when she was complaining about plastic waste with 4kids under 5)
Anyhow
Few points of interest in the survey:
"While the survey was not part of a statutory process, the feedback received will help inform us about people’s views"
Farming lease ends June 2020
20% of respondents have never been there :wtfsmilie:
2% international
70% leave farming as is 80% support farming
"Harsh winter conditions and the fire hazard in summer were also noted ." safety concerns (you don't say...)
48% want changes to hunting 52% for changes to all public access
" Managed access for all users was a central theme, particularly for foreign tourists, who were considered to be a greater risk to landscape values than New Zealanders, especially when freedom camping ."
"volunteers to control pest species and restore significant areas as a positive option . Suggestions included using recreational hunters and fourwheel drivers,"

I think we need to rename this thread the cynical page:thumbsup: or truths! Well guys at lest we are all on the same page.......
Unless this is post 15 then I’ll be on the next:XD:
Oh looks like I get to stay.
Have to agree with all that has be written above!

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Originally Posted by 223nut

Carbon footprint.... How many kids have you had... And grandkids... (stopped at least one lady with this when she was complaining about plastic waste with 4kids under 5)
Anyhow
Few points of interest in the survey:
"While the survey was not part of a statutory process, the feedback received will help inform us about people’s views"
Farming lease ends June 2020
20% of respondents have never been there :wtfsmilie:
2% international
70% leave farming as is 80% support farming
"Harsh winter conditions and the fire hazard in summer were also noted ." safety concerns (you don't say...)
48% want changes to hunting 52% for changes to all public access
" Managed access for all users was a central theme, particularly for foreign tourists, who were considered to be a greater risk to landscape values than New Zealanders, especially when freedom camping ."
"volunteers to control pest species and restore significant areas as a positive option . Suggestions included using recreational hunters and fourwheel drivers,"

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Year just need to look at other areas of the globe we’re tourists actions have harmed a similar environment.
Off the top of my head it always comes down to fire, toilet waste and litter in no particular order.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16376026

https://horizontravelpress.com/guide...rres-del-paine

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pa...&client=safari

Is this the future of the Sation?

Here’s a few more from around the globe https://www.google.co.uk/search?clie...10.EQqcB41msnw

As for waste the worst would have to be the island of rubbish in the Maldives!
Attachment 106778
Look it’s even got a freedom camper on it summit ;)

Nah it will be covered by green rain dropped by chopper ..... of course all with zero carbon footprint

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Originally Posted by Woody

What have DoC done with the great big NZDA survey kill management report and data?

I have a concern thst DoC may be looking to sell or lease a chunk of our land to tourism interests. Hope Im wrong.

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Thats what im hearing. The whole point of the 1080 drops were to wipe out as many deer and pigs as possible. Hunting isnt seen as a encourging option, looking at doing more tourism options , be it if leased out or not but hunting isnt something they want to see increased.
Iwi are going to have a say, theres money to be made in those hills

At what loss to our land heritage?

And is Hunting not part of our heritage?

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Originally Posted by deer243

Thats what im hearing. The whole point of the 1080 drops were to wipe out as many deer and pigs as possible. Hunting isnt seen as a encourging option, looking at doing more tourism options , be it if leased out or not but hunting isnt something they want to see increased.
Iwi are going to have a say, theres money to be made in those hills

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Feels like a farkn stitch up for sure

It's easy to say that the purpose of the 1080 drops was to wipe out deer and pigs but i don't think there's a shred of evidence to suggest that it's true

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Originally Posted by Backcountry Bob

It's easy to say that the purpose of the 1080 drops was to wipe out deer and pigs but i don't think there's a shred of evidence to suggest that it's true

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Are you for real?

we would be much better off with more well managed gold mines and oil wells than hoards of tourists.
better return on investment,better standard of living for the locals, less pollution and less chance of being killed on our roads
Tourism is just another bad deal for NZers.

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Originally Posted by widerange

we would be much better off with more well managed gold mines and oil wells than hoards of tourists.
better return on investment,better standard of living for the locals, less pollution and less chance of being killed on our roads
Tourism is just another bad deal for NZers.

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Nice one and very true. The Greens and DoC will dislike that common sense intensly :)

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Are you for real?

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Yup. While it's satisfying to think of conspiracy theories I suspect the operation was almost certainly undertaken for possum control and the number of deer killed was a surprise to all involved

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Originally Posted by Backcountry Bob

Yup. While it's satisfying to think of conspiracy theories I suspect the operation was almost certainly undertaken for possum control and the number of deer killed was a surprise to all involved

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That's a load of bollocks. It's well known that the greens and their buddies don't want anything but natives scurrying around the land. Why would they 1080 just before the roar and do deer culls just before the roar all over Auckland?

Logic would indicate that the two main groups , DoC and OSPRI / AHB which have invested close to a BILLION DOLLARS of public money into poison use over the past FIFTY YEARS+ along with high numbers of Environmental Expert Scientists actually had the knowledge and expertise to not only accurately assess animal numbers ( possums rats deer pigs etc) in the area, along with the makeup of the plant communities, AND the long time accumulated knowledge of the effects of 1080 poison; that such a debacle of slaughter could only be the result of gross incompetence OR a deliberate act. I find it difficult to believe all those " EXPERTS" could be so incompetent and still retain their jobs; therefore there it is more likely the other .
Why have we not yet seen a detailed report of the surveys?

​I think the drop was carried out in late October/early November from memory. I don't believe it was politically motivated.

'and do deer culls just before the roar all over Auckland?'

I don't understand this bit