Thread: Game Animal Council (GAC) to be scrapped by Conservation Minister?

Not sounding great for the likes of us is it?
This Sage creature should crawl back to where she first emerged. Hard to believe there is a twisted extremist legally f*****g up our outdoors eh.

This is stressing me out, feel pretty helpless. What is there that we can actually do?

The frustrating thing is the amount of hunters we have in NZ with no bite/voice.

Originally Posted by hotsoup

This is stressing me out, feel pretty helpless. What is there that we can actually do?

The frustrating thing is the amount of hunters we have in NZ with no bite/voice.

We (hunters) for the most part seem to be quite emotive and quite rough around the edges. To try and pull all of the hunters together as a united front always seems to end in internal rows. A lot of us don't/can't put our words into constructive sentences and resort to name calling and insults. This is one reason why we fail to be heard. Just my thoughts on it anyway.

Originally Posted by Gibo

We (hunters) for the most part seem to be quite emotive and quite rough around the edges. To try and pull all of the hunters together as a united front always seems to end in internal rows. A lot of us don't/can't put our words into constructive sentences and resort to name calling and insults. This is one reason why we fail to be heard. Just my thoughts on it anyway.

Agreed it is difficult to pull hunters together. What is the answer ? well that can be found by asking which group is successful in pulling it's members together. That group is fish and Game. They have statutory protection of game fish. For those who doubt what I am saying, please Google search the Conservation Act and read under 'fish and Game Councils' it might surprise you just how much authority they have and how little is granted to game animals! Now moving this to a conclusion we can ask they question ' Why do introduced fish have this protection and not game animals' ? put simply because fishers buy a licence and that is where our future must also be.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Agreed it is difficult to pull hunters together. What is the answer ? well that can be found by asking which group is successful in pulling it's members together. That group is fish and Game. They have statutory protection of game fish. For those who doubt what I am saying, please Google search the Conservation Act and read under 'fish and Game Councils' it might surprise you just how much authority they have and how little is granted to game animals! Now moving this to a conclusion we can ask they question ' Why do introduced fish have this protection and not game animals' ? put simply because fishers buy a licence and that is where our future must also be.

The "like" I stuck on your post was because I agree with your logic, not because I like the concept, we as hunters are probably never going to have an effective lobby group, but if hunters had a fee generating "hunting licence" then we would have value and thereby some measure of protection (maybe.....)

To all in general: find out who your local mp is, make it your mission to get in front of it and make sure it understands you will vote in whatever direction that keeps the stupid greenies from strangling us with their idiotic ideology, reminding it that you will do your dammdist to influence every member of your family, friends, work mates, and that are connected to a whole bunch of other people ( like on this forum for example ) that will do the same.

Roughly I worked out that I could get about 50 people to vote in one direction to obstruct the stupid green mob, imagine what a few thousand hunters could achieve with the right mindset.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Agreed it is difficult to pull hunters together. What is the answer ? well that can be found by asking which group is successful in pulling it's members together. That group is fish and Game. They have statutory protection of game fish. For those who doubt what I am saying, please Google search the Conservation Act and read under 'fish and Game Councils' it might surprise you just how much authority they have and how little is granted to game animals! Now moving this to a conclusion we can ask they question ' Why do introduced fish have this protection and not game animals' ? put simply because fishers buy a licence and that is where our future must also be.

The trouble with that is all our game animals were provided and acclimatized with the goal/Intention that hunting should not be only the domain of the wealthy anybody should be able to hunt, and also as a protection for some species that were in a threatened population in their home ranges.

Returning the land to pre European settlement as @Pengy suggested is flawed as the first settlers the Moriori and second settlers the Moari had already hugely modified the land with fires and hunted/destroyed habitat of many species into extinction and pushed many others to the very brink....this was all well before the arrival of the evil white man and introduction of deer/pigs/thar/cham/goats/sheep/stoats/ferrit/possum/rabbit/hare and all those other things that provided a means to stop eating each other to survive.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

The trouble with that is all our game animals were provided and acclimatized with the goal/Intention that hunting should not be only the domain of the wealthy anybody should be able to hunt, and also as a protection for some species that were in a threatened population in their home ranges.

Returning the land to pre European settlement as @Pengy suggested is flawed as the first settlers the Moriori and second settlers the Moari had already hugely modified the land with fires and hunted/destroyed habitat of many species into extinction and pushed many others to the very brink....this was all well before the arrival of the evil white man and introduction of deer/pigs/thar/cham/goats/sheep/stoats/ferrit/possum/rabbit/hare and all those other things that provided a means to stop eating each other to survive.

Were our game animals introduced with the intention … that anyone should be able to hunt. No they weren't. That might be a nice 'feel good' thought however critically examining the evidence of history will show a different story. In fact licences were expensive and only the Gentry hunted in the prized areas. If the intention had been to allow the common man to hunt with the same opportunity then the licences would have been balloted and at a low cost. Tourist hunting by the English Gentry was very popular here and many of the top trophies shot were taken by Lords and Majors. In large part because of the Wars 1 & 2 Game animal populations got out of control and protection was lifted and licencing taken away from acclimatization societies. But now that the animals are under control there is no reason that they should not be protected and hunting licenced.
We have free hunting for the common person now on public land but that hunting is under the perpetual threat of poisoning, WARO and the likes, so it is perhaps not as much 'our right' as we might think it is. The truth is we are tolerated and treated as a fringe group
On the one hand I hate the idea of paying for a licence but on the other I know that there is only one way to unite and give a voice to big game hunters.

Preditor Free . . . wonder when they start the search n destroy on urban (Felis domestica) . . . that'll free up half an isle in the supermarkets.
Perhaps they could start by just making it illegal to breed them.

Remind the nation again what caused the extinction of the stevens island wren:
( https://www.businessinsider.com.au/t...d-wren-2014-12 )

Nothing against cats as indivuals or a species, just calling out the political nonsence of 'preditor free'!
Al hail the indigenous Bird reich, Tui! (Yeah right).

so, when we're "pest" free does that entitle me to hunt kereru? They do look like a fat tasty bird.

A peaceful protest of fake 1080 in a helicopter dropped over suburbia and cities would cause a ruckus. I used to be a big believer in 1080 before getting into hunting, I believed what the media told me. Now I'm physically out there in the bush noticing the quietness of particular areas that have been 1080'd, compared to areas that are dealt with differently.

Hamilton city have a halo project they set up to bring tui, bellbirds, kereru and other bird life back to the city. People on the ground, bait stations, trapping, donating traps out to public and people restoring gullies. I live close proximity to a few of these bush blocks this project is focused on and town is full of tui,kereru during the days the flowers are out, moreporks at night. I hunt a couple of these blocks and although the bird life can easily give away your position or play tricks on you, they're nice to have around. Not very often you can be stalking along to hear a snoring kereru above you in a tree.

Originally Posted by Projects

A peaceful protest of fake 1080 in a helicopter dropped over suburbia and cities would cause a ruckus.

O.K, which one of you muppets took this seriously? This honestly was not my doing.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...-of-parliament

@Bugsplat i grew up in a dog family and have never been fond of cats. Built a house in town and it was neutral ground and lots of cats would use my crusher dust drive way as a little box and pissed on my house. I informed the council about my problem and that they're not my cats, that they must be "pest" stray cats i planned on catching and disposing of humanely. Unless their animal control officer wanted to take them. There are bylaws for dogs and dog control but nothing for cats.

They basically told me, There's no bylaws for cats, but i would be responsible to find locate the owner if i caught a cat. They only deal with dogs at our animal control. I thought to hang the trap from a post in front of my house with a sign *Is this you cat, contact me to collect it when im home*

Well the great hunting opportunities we have had over the last 10yrs are going to take to a hit under Sage’s watch, between increased Waro including more access for them, more 1080 & the tree huggers aka Greens, etc

Pisses me off that one nutcase has the influence to ruin it for us all, makes me sick

Originally Posted by hotsoup

Pisses me off that one nutcase has the influence to ruin it for us all, makes me sick

I wish there was only one of them, the problem would be easily solved. But I think you will find that there are many with the same agenda well infiltrated in the system with their snouts in the trough.

Originally Posted by tetawa

I wish there was only one of them, the problem would be easily solved. But I think you will find that there are many with the same agenda well infiltrated in the system with their snouts in the trough.

Unfortunately yes the Sage is surrounded by political activists with hollow heads.