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I have a great button that I can use to that effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
Divisive threads, regardless of the subject matter, are the death of forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
How to control that is not a easy path for any mod,as they always have there own opinion like everyone else on the subject at hand.
Is a divisive thread,or subject,worth the death of the group? Regardless of where the controlling mods stand on the subject.
I'm glad I'm not a mod
I can stand and say I hate 1080,and also say I don't see any compleat solution.
Right now if the funding was there,and it's not, I would increase trapping with the newish c02 traps and Arial poison the areas that can't for whatever reason can't be trapped. Over time those areas will be reduced. But I don't ever see them being eliminated.
My background?
I worked for doc,worked with 1080 amongst other things and other projects.
Left doc because of both $ and the bs, I don't think I could say what was larger in my mind at the time.
But since then I have worked as a volunteering on pest control projects wherever I have lived.
These threads seem to have a lot of black and white true believers, and the Gray gets drowned out.
I see the value as minimal, when compared to the disruption it causes to the forum it's on.
I'd like to see greater use made of the CO2, resetting kill stations that have come on the market. They use poison free baits and can kill 10-15 times before the mini gas canister needs to be replaced. We've just bought one for stoats/rats, as we haven't had any luck catching stoats with anything else.
The possum version can screwed onto the trunk of a tree, out of the way of other animals. The replacement baits and gas canisters don't cost much either. Which is more than I can say about the replacement margarine-container-type poison block that fits in a bait station attached to a tree. Those things are a ridiculous price now. I don't see why the price has gone up? It'll be too expensive to use in any great quantity.
If the gas powered captive bolt killing stations had larger gas cylinders, they'd be useful in bush situations.
Myself and undoubtedly others have found them easy to adapt to use much larger paintball co2 tanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inger
This greatly increases the cost and heft of the units. While I would like to see this offered as a factory option it has not noticeably increased our activations per man hour-maybe our program needs to evolve more to make better use of the larger tanks.
Right now,I would prefer a co2 trap that somehow reported back as to its status.
Trapping is the way to go but the playing field is tilted badly against trappers and traps.
Anyone who has ever taken a kill trap through the Registration and testing processes know just how expensive and how loaded the process is against traps.
A kill trap owner must be able to demonstrate his traps ability to kill three animals. Each animal must have expired in under three minutes from the moment the trap is triggered. This process is carried out under a rigidly controlled regime at a testing facility.
Also the trap must demonstrate it can be made bird safe.
Whereas our two registered 'Aerial Dropped Residual Poisons' can take three days and three weeks respectively to kill an animal.
Aerial Dropped Residual Poisons, are not pest specific, nor are they selective, they kill all oxygen breathing creatures.
Why is the trapping targeted at the possums death?, What research has been done into live capture in large numbers?, Certainly they are still going to die at the hands of the trapper, but what is the time frame for checking live capture traps?
Somewhere on here is a member trapping extensively who has used the gas resetting traps and found them not to catch unless very high numbers?
I am sure I read it on here?
My Other Half says that the ability for the unit to report back, would be hindered by the lack of cell phone coverage in most areas where there is a high number of possums.
If there was good cell phone coverage, it should be possible to make a small printed circuit board that connects to the counter which is available for these kill traps. It can then phone home and let you know how many times the unit has fired.
Its all legal mumbo jumbo now except for DOC and there supporters:(Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidGunn
A reminder of rules for the use of leg-hold traps | MPI Biosecurity New Zealand
Yeah Rite..:)
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I'd believe science over the ranting antis on this forum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6hxo1sC-dU
When you put up the reasons for and against 1080 and leave all of the unsubstantiated BS out of it and look at what would happen without it, it's pretty clear why they use it.
Want to see how much damage deer do to the native forest? Go for a walk in a Northland forest, the difference is like night and day.
Surely you 'savage' are not saying that you would condone illegal acts like poisoning deer with 1080.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage1
You do understand that 1080 is not a registered poison to use on Deer control and therefore the person that targets deer with it is committing an illegal act.
Reason being that it delivers a sub lethal doses and is thereby inhumane.
Some science here www.1080science.co.nz
i see more damage by stoats and pigs, then deer or opussums, evidence and noted opinions points to deer doing more good then harm as they have replaced the Moa in the food chain which was missing in the ecosystem for hundreds of years. we humans are the ones fucking the bush it was in perfect balance before any human turned up and thought they knew better then mother nature.
I have only one thought (sorry i'm simple) I would hate to see anyone banned over any of this. Having an opinion and learning/sharing info is what we are all here for. The anti 1080 people are far less offensive to me than the anti tikka and anti 270 hua's!! :P
I dont read things if I dont care for them. Simple. I took your advice ;)
You don't get an opinion while you own a tikka .270. go back to your cave :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
I enjoy reading the threads! I will also make up my own mind on the pro or anti and I also know I don't have to read it if it offends me.
I know it's not really achieving anything in the big picture off 1080 use, but it could be making more people a wear of the said problems? which in turn might make some people want to take it further.
What I do find annoying is how a bunch of grown men and women who all seem like good buggers can turn this into personal attacks against each other. If everybody just kept it on topic and supplied there information as they see it, it should be fine and make it easier on the mods that have to control it?
Everyone has a right to there opinion don't they.
Post of the week:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
Yes great idea tussock ban these shit threads:)
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Did I mention poisoning deer with 1080? No, so your post is erroneous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graeme Sturgeon
I suggest you learn what science is before saying that that website represents science of 1080. Picking and choosing studies and not peer reviewing isn't science.
You go to the pub to have a quite beer with your mates, shoot the breeze and wind down. You chose that pub because the publican politely offered a code of conduct that fits with you. There's quite a lot of you like that there, that's why you like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tussock
If you wanted to go to the "doof doof" club down the road, where you cant hear yourself think for all the racket that's you choice, but you don't.
I'm happy to offer directions to those who prefer the "rave" scene. Do we need to put up a streetmap down by the gents door?
Not on a forum hosted by someone else who requested a very few rules were considered before you post. This is not a democracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by screamO
I cant afford to go to the pub, which is why I spend far too much time on here :)
"doof doof"...hahahah:thumbsup:
Deer damage to the Forest and 1080 in the same thread??? I apologise if I read you wrong 'savage'Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage1
I am glad you have somehow worked out a way to avoid killing deer with aerial 1080. You should pass that information on you know.
Mike Meads was peer reviewed 6 times.
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Chill bro:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Graeme Sturgeon
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Well I think I have just been proven wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by screamO
its funny this thread we can all have a opinion as long as it suits a select few, we come from all different walks of life and have seen many things thats what makes our own opinion, regardless of the topic we are all within our rights to hold our own opinion without being verbally attacked or threatened. respect the fact we are adults and have formed our own opinions though our personal experiences and leave it at that. you are not held at gunpoint to read the thread yet feel compelled to comment, go read another thread or start your own. you dont have to antagonize people to have your opinion heard.
Hand up, I know, I know... The sort of pub where you are only allowed to talk Rugby.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwijames
That is complete bollocks Savage1. The websiteQuote:
Originally Posted by Savage1
1080science.co.nz
is administered by Dr J C Pollard, who has a PhD (doctorate in zoology. Her associated contributors are also highly qualified and experienced scientists and foresters.
Parts of the site, including the ERMA index are faithful extracts from the ERMA review process. Another link is to the
www.rarebits.co.nz
site also constructed by Dr Pollard which contains specific very interesting report notes by Department of Conservation.
Also on the 1080science.co.nz
site has a link named "Appeals" which details the extreme reluctance by the PCE to hear evidence against 1080 poison from numerous New Zealanders.
I would suggest that you are deliberately attempting to denigrate a qualified scientist and associated scientists, technicians and foresters, Department of Conservation science and the ERMA review science by inferring that only a narrow dictionary interpretations of what "science' is, is allowable on this forum or anywhere else , for that matter. If the forum applied your inferred rule of Peer review", is would cease to exist in every thread.
You are also attempting to dissuade members of this forum from viewing one of the best independent science websites in this country.
Shame on you.
I suggest you think again and allow others their point of view. Nobody is perfect, including me, but people are entitled to valid opinion, thoughts and to present their evidence and entitled to discuss and learn. What you are attempting is to stultify that and in the course of your own posts are simply applying gross generalisations as a means of criticising others. It seems you have an interest in trying to have this thread discussion destroyed, and thereby depriving concerned members from fair exchanges of information and concerns.
Hi Tussock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tussock
Personally I believe there is a place for the debate, albeit, contentious, surrounding the use of poisons like 1080 because the effects are perceived to be a threat to hunting and fishing and the related environments by more than just a few. Others may feel the use of such poison is of great benefit to their sports of hunting and fishing. It is an issue important to Hunters and Fishermen.
I think there should be a specific subject thread created for the issue such that it is not just randomly appearing within the Hunting, or the Fishing, dogs, or other thread main headings.
Obscene posts can be subject to the same discipline as on any other thread.
My 2 cents.
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by Woody
And cricket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graeme Sturgeon
and SaabmarinesQuote:
Originally Posted by kiwijames
And pretty much everything except politics and religon as well. Good pub that oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
And all sorts of light hearted uplifting stuff. Positive stuff. Not the reaper is on your doorstep so you may as well slit your wrists now stuff. There is the news and the thousands of other publications, both hard copy and digital to weigh you down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
he who has the power aye.
These threads are shit, you see. People are unable to not act like children about certain things and 1080 is one of them.
and Saabmarines
Well, between Graeme and Woody, we seem to have 2 members hell-bent on turning every single corner of this forum into a 1080 debate/argument.
http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...k-again-18453/
http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...-speaks-18669/
http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...-nature-18692/
This forum has a very simple rule : no politics or religion. i might be wrong, but in NZ the 1080 debate IS either politics or religion :) Every single one of the 1080 threads ends up in a typical NZHS goatfuck.
Two options I can see : either delete the threads, or create a separate board for 1080 issues, so that those of us who want to avoid it can do so and continue to enjoy the forum.
It's called "any other forum", and I suggest Graeme et al fuck off there before I get drunk and/or annoyed and use my buttonsQuote:
Originally Posted by ebf
oh no the mods are arseholes
I disagree with the first part but you seem to be absolutely right about the second part. It's a shame really.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
