Thread: hunter down :(

All the reports are saying is a hunter has died. Nothing about how.

There are a ton of mineshafts in the area that I am surprised no one has gone awol into yet.

This happens bcoz people dont follow the instructions.. they need to change the attitude and seriously understand that there are no compromises when hunting.. you need to adhere to all safety measures outlined be it fire arms or bush craft..plus use some common sense.. Just saw another incident on stuff

Father and son hunters rescued - national | Stuff.co.nz

On the other thread about this guy, he got shot in the chest.

Unfortunately it was a firearms accident..

Hunter fatally shot in chest - national | Stuff.co.nz

Not Good !!

Originally Posted by Happy

Unfortunately it was a firearms accident..

Hunter fatally shot in chest - national | Stuff.co.nz

Not Good !!

it was NOT an accident. someone from another hunting party with a gun lined up on his chest and made a conscious decision to pull the trigger ie a deliberate shot.

an accident is if someone fell over and the gun got slammed and fired.

Rule 1: Treat every firearm as loaded
Rule 2: Always point firearms in a safe direction
Rule 3: Load a firearm only when ready to fire
Rule 4: Identify your target beyond all doubt
Rule 5: Check your firing zone
Rule 6: Store firearms and ammunition safely
Rule 7: Avoid alcohol and drugs when handling firearms

Were any of the above guidelines broken ?

Now some poor woman will go through life without her partner and and their two young kids wont ever see daddy again. Then there is his parents who have lost their 25 yr old son.


accident my ass.

Originally Posted by oneipete

it was NOT an accident. someone from another hunting party with a gun lined up on his chest and made a conscious decision to pull the trigger ie a deliberate shot.

an accident is if someone fell over and the gun got slammed and fired.

Rule 1: Treat every firearm as loaded
Rule 2: Always point firearms in a safe direction
Rule 3: Load a firearm only when ready to fire
Rule 4: Identify your target beyond all doubt
Rule 5: Check your firing zone
Rule 6: Store firearms and ammunition safely
Rule 7: Avoid alcohol and drugs when handling firearms

Were any of the above guidelines broken ?

Now some poor woman will go through life without her partner and and their two young kids wont ever see daddy again. Then there is his parents who have lost their 25 yr old son.


accident my ass.

It's technically manslaughter

Originally Posted by kiwi39

It's technically manslaughter

and should be treated as such.... Too close to home. RIP

[QUOTE=oneipete;237025]it was NOT an accident. someone from another hunting party with a gun lined up on his chest and made a conscious decision to pull the trigger ie a deliberate shot.

an accident is if someone fell over and the gun got slammed and fired.

Rule 1: Treat every firearm as loaded
Rule 2: Always point firearms in a safe direction
Rule 3: Load a firearm only when ready to fire
Rule 4: Identify your target beyond all doubt
Rule 5: Check your firing zone
Rule 6: Store firearms and ammunition safely
Rule 7: Avoid alcohol and drugs when handling firearms

Were any of the above guidelines broken ?

Now some poor woman will go through life without her partner and and their two young kids wont ever see daddy again. Then there is his parents who have lost their 25 yr old

Sorry my poor choice of words!

Same old shit different year unfortunately. You only have to see some of the attitudes on here from time to time to realise there are still plenty of
dickheads who should not have firearms licences.....

Shot by someone from another hunting party according to this report:

Man, 25, shot dead by hunter in Southland - National - NZ Herald News

Went out for a stalk yesterday got to the car park too many trucks parked up for the catchment I wanted to go into so off to option B Result no one else parked there so headed off in confidence
Further on pushed through a large cobweb right across my access track more confidence

I don't think changing the agency is going to achieve anything unless there is a substantial change in the law, the regulations and the process.

The thing is that with most firearm uses outside of hunting, it is pretty much self-policing. If you join a pistol club and act like a idiot on the range, you will very quickly get told to pack your bags, and same for most other sporting codes.

With hunting you have guys going out once a year, guys hyped on buck-fever etc. No way that I can see how you can regulate it. My view is that if we had the same amount of deaths / accidents on target ranges, pistol clubs and clay fields, the relevant associations would have stepped in long ago.

Only way I can see forward is to make it mandatory to belong to something like NZDA (if your intended firearm use is hunting). For them to radically change their approach to safety training and vetting, and to make that part of the process of obtaining a hunting license. That and a huge change in attitude from the average guy going out there to hunt, where it changes from the current macho bullshit attitude to one where you are man enough to come down like a ton of bricks on any mate that does something stupid or unsafe, to make "safe" practises the rule, rather than something that is seen as girly or unnecessary.

Unfortunately I do not see this happening, and fear we will be having the same debate next year, and the year after...

Originally Posted by ebf

I don't think changing the agency is going to achieve anything unless there is a substantial change in the law, the regulations and the process.

The thing is that with most firearm uses outside of hunting, it is pretty much self-policing. If you join a pistol club and act like a idiot on the range, you will very quickly get told to pack your bags, and same for most other sporting codes.

With hunting you have guys going out once a year, guys hyped on buck-fever etc. No way that I can see how you can regulate it. My view is that if we had the same amount of deaths / accidents on target ranges, pistol clubs and clay fields, the relevant associations would have stepped in long ago.

Only way I can see forward is to make it mandatory to belong to something like NZDA (if your intended firearm use is hunting). For them to radically change their approach to safety training and vetting, and to make that part of the process of obtaining a hunting license. That and a huge change in attitude from the average guy going out there to hunt, where it changes from the current macho bullshit attitude to one where you are man enough to come down like a ton of bricks on any mate that does something stupid or unsafe, to make "safe" practises the rule, rather than something that is seen as girly or unnecessary.

Unfortunately I do not see this happening, and fear we will be having the same debate next year, and the year after...

Correct me if im wrong but a firearms coordinator with the the deerstalkers shot his mate two or three years ago

Originally Posted by kawekakid

Correct me if im wrong but a firearms coordinator with the the deerstalkers shot his mate two or three years ago

No you are right - piss poor form

Originally Posted by kawekakid

Correct me if im wrong but a firearms coordinator with the the deerstalkers shot his mate two or three years ago

He was an ex wellington Deerstalkers president and im not sure it was his mate.And making us all join up to a drivers club isn't going to stop car crashes is it? Ebf is right about one thing this argument is going to happen every year.The best advice I was given by an old head was this.
Worry about keeping your own shit in order before fixing others.

Jasen