1080 laced sausages dropped to control ferel cats, I hope nobodys dog gets a scent of it.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...nst-feral-cats
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1080 laced sausages dropped to control ferel cats, I hope nobodys dog gets a scent of it.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...nst-feral-cats
Yay, another use for 1080.:sick:
How many ground feeding native birds were killed in the process?
I understand there are massive challenges controlling pest species in our difficult terrain but still think broadcasting a poison that is heavily governed if not banned outright in most of the world is not the way
So they catch wild cats put a collar on it and let it go again?
Same old story, the reality is we have feral cats blue ducks and kiwi and the cats are bloody cunning!
I have shot a few but thd reality is that with some bait strategically placed where we have seen them would be awesome.
We have stoat traps but doc is very intermittent in servicing so we are going to do it ourselves.
I liked the look of the kill trap that the cat was caught in on country calendar last weekend but not sure what brand it was.
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those pics in the article that tanny colored moggy would be hard to spot in that environment .... and the one with the cat on a bird , thinking it was scavenging the carcass ? seen a cat carch a seagull on a rooftop and the bird took flight cat still attached untill it realised it was a bad idea and let go
if a cat killed and ate a parry would it be a duck filled fattypuss?
The trap is a Steve Allan - SA2Quote:
Originally Posted by andyanimal31
I will get on it!Quote:
Originally Posted by techno retard
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Ive been up there and seen and heard Kea so they are dead, pretty accessible aera employ people to do traps and ground control but DOC taking the easy way out
The NZ AutoTraps AT220 is a great trap, multi species and auto resetting, not cheap though.Quote:
Originally Posted by andyanimal31
https://nzautotraps.com/collections/...at220-autotrap
If it works well, Im all for it. But..... Its no bloody good doing this type of thing if the core issue of where the feral cat population comes from. The domestic cat population. Let's face it, cats as a pet species, do way more harm than dogs. Mainly because we have some form of dog control. It's really time we look at ways to achieve that with pet cats. Probably the easiest is a registered breeders and neutering program.
The SA2 looks good.
Can anyone please tell me what gloves this guy might be is using when demonstrating the SA2 trap? I'm after cut proof gloves for emptying traps of pest carcasses and something tougher than nitrile / disposables. Any recommendations please?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofRKvRZp0JU
Don't worry, just saw another of his videos where the gloves were identified: Esko razor x500
Killing of natives is the goal...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
That way they can then gaslight people into believing that more 1080 drops are needed.
Means more taxpayers money siphoned off for them and the rest of the "conservation" gravy train...
I have things to say, but will calm before posting.
I'm not so sure about cats being worse than dogs - dogs that start killing for fun are as bad as cats full stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by whanahuia
Fact of the matter is any animal that gets into killing for fun is a must delete from the environment asap job. Biggest problem we have is getting onto the bloody things when they start going feral and getting to the end of them. Feral dogs are rarer in NZ than feral cats fortunately, but most people are thick and have the image in their head of little tiddles or pooky staying as the little friendly cuddly lap whore once they've been abandoned out in the sticks somewhere. Not how it rolls, and most of the city types have never had to deal with feral cats or dogs.
I have a different opinion about registering cats and breeding programs - after all there are so many unregistered dogs that are being breed in backyard outfits that it's arguable whether that system is actually of any use. It's a bit like registering guns, only the good owners comply and those are the ones that aren't causing a problem. It's a list of 'where not to look' - which is where we have the problem as the people running 'the list' never seem to understand that and try to use it for something it's not suitable for.
Shit they look like quite the bit of kit!Quote:
Originally Posted by duckdog
Might go for something a bit cheaper to get on go!
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If you want a VERY humaine and deadly kill trap..find some connibears. Do utube to see the set with bit of twine thing,bit of heavy cord about meter long with foot loop at one end . They work very well just in a run or fence line but could see baited they would be even deadlier. NOT ideal if have small dogs.they take no prisoners.Quote:
Originally Posted by andyanimal31
Strangely enough the feral cat issue came to mind last night as I was collecting milk from farm. Nice friendly kitten waiting at vat for some milk,very friendly and oh so cute.....and I saw the problem...it's not only going to be cat ladies that make pf2050 a pipe dream. On average night I will see half dozen feral cats in my 500km drive so roughly one for every 100 km driven. All sizes but the tabby is common colour as soon effective at blending in. As much as I hate 1080 because I'm a dog person who also likes Birdlife. If this works and they can somehow make it kea and hawk proof( that's going to be hard) well maybe it might help?
Plus one for the connibears, a very good trap!Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
sorry me old china I have to correct you cats worse than dogs - absolutely cats- feral cats are length and breadth of NZ and in numbers - wild dogs well small population in Far North all north of Houhora Te Paki area - possibly be some lower Whakatane area of Te Urewera - other than that for dogs its dogs allowed to roam and lost pig dogs - feral cats are tough on birds but even more so on skinks and geckos - stomach analysis has shown they make up a large percentage of feral cats diet- birds well less so - feral cats are everywhere including Chathams and Stweart Island -Te Urewera full of them - we saw cats from river bottoms right up into mountain beech country - the only awnser is registration - bells -castration neuturing - limit on numbers - sadly not going to happen except perhaps near sanctuarys - these baiting trials while we may not like 1080 we need cats out in the backblocks controlled - but yes dog owners beware hopefully this new permit system will have warnings going out when and where - DOC are not great on notifying in fact lax as all hell - to give you an idea how bad in Taranaki they oversow the water supply of 80,000 people with water of Mount Taranaki and all they do is one small notice in local paper its disgustingQuote:
Originally Posted by No.3
Not quite what I was meaning. Sure a dog can be devastating. But we have a system of controls and owner identification that keeps dogs in check and largely they do not cause a problem. Cats though are untraceable;e and left to roam and go wild and right now because of that, are causing magnitudes more harm than dogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
That's my point - IF the dog registration system worked it would be good - BUT it only exists in areas where the local government outfit has enough critical mass to do something with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by whanahuia
Rural or deprived areas - a registration what?
And yes, feral cats are more common as I stated but the thing with feral cats is they are 99% of the time solitary. Dogs form a pack and then start killing for sport - way way worse in terms of killing effort and effect than cats. Luckily, most places get onto packs early while they are still small and not yet into business full time. We had one start up here locally a few years back, it got sorted quietly over time and the problem 'went away', but the damage up until that point was an entire lifestyle flock of expensive breed sheep, a few lots of chickens and several other animals including a few much loved domestic cats that got torn to shreds in front of the owners. We don't know what native or wild animals they got to but as we have a local project establishing a population of Kiwi the farkers were dead dogs running. Cat's just don't do that.
you are right Whanahuia our feral cats are now generations old in our bush - I would have no doubt bloodlines of feral cats going back 50 years and a lot more - wild dogs no those Te Paki dogs well I worked up there 20 years ago and they were not there then -they are more recent than that - the dog kiwi killers in the Northland forests well sadly many went back home at night after being left to roam all day from those local communities where they again scrounged for a feed -
I think...comparing cats n dogs doesn't work as dogs MUCH easier to spot,and get rid of. They bigger so need more feed,more cover and easier target in just about any method you choose. Yes a pack worrying stock is terrible but visible so eliminatable. As said earlier the shear number of cats out there is mind boggling and unfortunately we humans are biggest obstacle to controlling it,the feral population as we keep adding to it and redistributing it.
yes that redistribution - for 10 years I lived on the boundary of Egmont National park alongside one of the access roads - house was in the Park with bush around it - I shot around 20 cats a year - would be doing my dishes and meow outside window - well moggy do ya want vintage ( Remington model 12 pump) or modern ( Brno mod 2 ) - bloody townies drive up to park boundary and let the mongrel go - small bush gully by house lots of skeletons -
Hell,we were thirty KMs from nearest shop and still had them turn up.central North island.
Saw a demo of those yesterday. Certainly amazing tech talked about the pile of dead things underneath and what it might attract. Pigs was there answer. I recall trap lines in the urewera that if a pig clocked it you got nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by duckdog
Seen a cat on one of my favourite clearings off Clement’s mill rd one evening,,at least 18km from nearest house,190g sub from the 308 sorted that,got a deer 20mins later as well!
Feral cats are increasing in the wild - I have never seen so many in the last 10 years in some valleys in Canterbury. During winter they can be seen a bit more during daylight hours catching the sun and around some huts looking for food scraps. Though you are likely to catch a possum first if setting cage type traps. Feral cats remain the hardest to catch/kill. Then there is a number of hunters taking their 'deer' dogs into areas where permit conditions say 'No Dogs permitted' due to either Kiwi present or on the fringe of Kiwi areas in Canterbury. They also need to sort their shit out.
Ah yes a good old fashioned 1080 related hysteria event. By gar it's been a while.
The no dog area dictatorship needs to sort Thier shit out....loads of areas could be dog ok but aren't,for no apparent reasons at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Hunteast
That valley has visitors just about daily in summerQuote:
Originally Posted by Carbine
Comon Micky Duck - provide an example please. I can only speak for Canterbury, not South Canterbury. DOC site - 'Additionally, dogs are not allowed in the Craigieburn Forest hunting area, as kiwi are present'. Plain English to me but often abused from my experience. Aside from all this, good comms to DOC asking 'why' is a reasonable approach and I would expect a reasonable answer? Remember earlier media reports about the quote of 34000 rec hunters in NZ? I suspect that figure comes from hunting permits requested for public land which obviously does not represent all hunter on private land plus many that don't apply for permits in the first place? We continue to shoot ourselves in the foot when it comes to hunting and public backlash. Just my experience and observations.
I maybe wrong. But as far as I have seen no dogs in national parks. Which seem silly. Take Paparoa, which I border- no dogs, yet its not in any way more special that the land that surrounds it.
Getting back to OP. This operation was notified about June’24, brochures available both printed and online, notices posted on public entry points/boundary afaik. What more could be done? I’m not in favour of aerial 1080 application but it is by far the most efficient distribution method. As others have stated, cats are a menace to almost any wildlife and need eradicating. On St James and Molesworth they are multi-generational and highly adapted to survive in that environment, musterers were known to collect cats from around Ch-Ch and relocate them after annual stock scale muster back in early days. There are F-all deer of note in the trial area so not a problem in that regard, not that deer a known for eating sausage. Again. Not in favour of aerial 1080 application but if needs must, do it.
Peel forest,rangitata. Mount Somers. Mount hutt.mt nimrod all no dogs . Tenahaun says dogs ok on permit but no dogs sign at gate. My dogs stay within fifty yards of me under control all the time so even IF they decided to "retrieve" a bird( my dogs do ducks too) they wouldn't do so unless told to. Funny as fook when walking down ridge with deer on my back and old bitch stops beside treepeers in hole,looks away,looks at me,wags tail.quick look,look away tail wagging. I come up to her and sure enough possum just inches away from her ...nope not allowed so "just showing you boss".I laughed so much I had trouble carrying deer. Plurry dogs are smart and if under control....awesome mates. I can take dog into a few open country blocks,heavily hunted. If no kiwi I struggle to see valid reason for blocks to be dog free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunteast
Can’t see the problem.
I am aware of one fella in Canterbury about 3 yrs ago applying to DOC to take his dog into a non dog area. And permission was granted as a one off. The entire saga of non dogs permitted in the other areas I am not up to date on why - just the kiwi bit for Craigieburn. The Geraldine DOC guys are usually good for answers so some of the locals tell me. I was down that way last Weds - couldn't believe the number of wallabies I saw on one farm with the thermal. Can't use poison with sheep/cattle in the paddocks. Pest controllers at night probably the best way but need other properties to do the same to make a dent? Cats on public land - aside from traps that catch bugger all at the moment and the poison drop in part of the St James, thermal scopes likely the interim tool but that has its issues as recent night time fatalities have shown in the last 18 mths. Why cats were not identified as a issue 25 yrs ago and back further shows someone has f.ucked up? Remember the guy who did identify moggies as a growing problem in NZ but was put down in the media/cat lovers a few yrs back (forgot his name, that rich fella ex TM founder). He saw the issue coming.