Ross said he's going there today. I'm sure he'll put up a picture here if there is such a gate being constructed on the Waipakahi road alignment. We can all keep our panties unbunched till then.:thumbsup:
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Ross said he's going there today. I'm sure he'll put up a picture here if there is such a gate being constructed on the Waipakahi road alignment. We can all keep our panties unbunched till then.:thumbsup:
It's a blatant move to secure access for commercial gain. If morons dumping or being general morons is the reason for the gate then access would have been cut off years ago. When it happens in conjunction with a commercial operation it is a cynical move to force the public to use that commercial operation to access the area, both the private land which I have no problem with, but also the public which I do.
A lot will depend on where the gate is though
DoC apparrently have said the Genisis Rangipo road is also to be closed. This also provides very good park access and the area is extremely scenic and great for family picnics near the lake surrounds. Genisis is an SOE and was publicly owned by NZED prior to the SOE splitups. I see no valid reason why or how this public access and amenity should be denied.
I'm just taking it one step at a time.
Though the evidence to date does seem to indicate that there's some crossed wires somewhere: Public ownerships vs private intent.
Hi there guys, spent the night down by the river last night, I only come down to camp, relax get away from society. Noticed the bollards and wondered what is going on. Will be interested to see the outcome after reading the information on here. Attachment 202177
Hopefully it has uploaded but definitely looks like a gate will be going in.
Beat me to it
Absent a gate, this isn't a problem. Every official website shows this as a public road, so I'm wondering if the due diligence was done.
The only rubbish I saw on Waipakaki rd was at the sh1 end, but if the land owners are really upset as opposed to performatively so then I'd think that this would be a perfect pd project. The opportunity to learn about the whenua while doing a public good - awesome. I've got a truck with a 4.2m bed and 2t capacity I'd be happy to bring to the event, and if the tip won't comp the fees I'll stump up for them too.
Pd is the place just before Rangipo.....
I received this from FMC (Federated Mountain Clubs of NZ) today.
Kia ora.
Your query has been passed onto me.
I actually only found out about this on Friday. These roads sit on private land, and so the landowner is within their rights to put gates on them if they like. Having said that, Waipakihi road access is quite critical for hunters, trampers and paddlers. I'm unsure if this has been taken into account before the gate was put across the road. I have some relationships with the landowners in the area, so I'm in the process of getting in touch with them to see if we can find an amicable solution.
Doesn't sound like they have had a heads up about it either???
Those gates won't last long :XD:
There. Fixed it for you
Just about every bit of On Line data maintained by government departments responsible for such information, show it as a public road sandwiched between Maori Trust land.
The icing on the cake will be when a forum member who has asked for such information from the Maori land Court receives a copy of the Title.
Waiting on title as we speak. Ordered this morning.
I saw it mentioned on a Facebook thread that Tree Trunk Gorge Rd is also being closed and gated off as well. I cannot speak to the accuracy of that claim but it would be good to know. Disappointing all around though. Lots of great memories made down the Waipakihi.
I have also been in contact with FMC and the executive committee member I've emailed has a meeting booked with one of the local Kaumatua next week to have a quiet chat about access on these roads.
She has also asked me what hunting groups she could contact in regards to finding out the importance of access to this area.
I have suggested Cam Speedy, NZDA, Greg and Willie Duley and the Game Animal Council as possibilities.
At this stage, depending on the title boundaries, I think that an amicable agreement may be what's needed.
I liked the previous post but I do urge caution.
Do not give away what you already have especially if it is a legal public access.
Take time to establish what is the rules of engagement.
Agree.
Yes exactly @erniec. If it's a public road then it's to remain open TO THE PUBLIC.
I have looked at maps where as stated in other posts the land titles are on each side but the road is separate.
Does anyone know who has maintained the road for the last 50-60 years?
In the past 30 years I've hunted up the Waipakihi the road has had very little if any maintenance, hence the massive potholes.
Have you driven it recently???
No one is the correct answer. The tar seal has done a good job holding hands for all these years, but the potholes are almost winning
If you're asking me, no I haven't driven it for about 10 years.
Yeah, I regularly (twice a year maybe??) drive it. Have done so from the late 70's till now. Can't remember ever seeing any work being done on the road.
Come to think of it, there may have been some work done on the steep incline the seal finishes on now, and the washed out culvert in the late 80's. Would have been for the power board dudes to maintain access to the water gauge at the very end of the track. Once you hit the bottom of the incline, the legal road alignment turns right only. All those tracks heading downstream appear to be on private land.
There is a change in 2019 where some of those blocks got a street address and started paying rates.Heading down Waipakihi Rd the first section pays no rates then after that the land is rateable. Those blocks either side of rd have now got a boundary line. Info from Taupo Council Map.
The ceo of the NZDA spoke at out meeting last wednesday and bought this up so they were aware of it . What they can do or are doing he didn't say.
Yep Cigar,Looking at it another way,that part of rd is Tongariro National Park and not classed as rd so therefore it is a track which means did Helisika get a special concession to use that piece.Only other rd is SH45 to Whakapapa.
I've just had a reporter from Stuff on the phone, apparently this is getting more coverage than just the website.
If anyone wants to talk with him PM me and I'll send your phone number.
Also, the titles are in hand and the trust doesn't own the road - but I'm still waiting on the Maori Land Court to get back to me.
I've had nil response so far from the MP for Taupo.
I got an email saying she was going to talk to Helisika and the trust, and silence thereafter.
I think there will be some scurrying happening currently.
I came across records of an easement on the title to Genesis and it's successors, I assume it's for access to the hydro sites, but that doesn't automatically mean access for everyone.
All information gathered so far ie: Title, deposited drawings, Gazette notices etc need further consideration as the nomenclature is from a by gone age to my mind. I will pass these documents on to people with the appropriate qualifications and experience. On that note, is there a registered surveyor on this forum who could clarify the information contained in the drawings?
A big thanks to everyone who working behind the scenes on this one it way out my depth on what to do
Genesis have been pretty good so i imagine that access down Rangipo Intake Rd will be left as is.Helesika and DOC have got some shady stuff going on as regards Waipakihi Rd.
That is being done by both as we speak....
I was recently told by Mark , Taupo NZDA President that the trust had informed him that the road was Maori Land and therefore he was not concerned.
That may have changed :-) .
Others locally have done their homework and are convinced it is Public.
They have been stirring the Council and other parties about it.
There is also an article in the the BFD complete with maps which support the Public Road status.
The problem is to motivate the relevant agencies to enforce that access.
Pennyless