Thread: Kiwi caught on CCTV in Broadmeadows Wellington

https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/35...edium=referral

Hunters have an ongoing role of eradicating pest predators so that Kiwi can thrive.
Well done Capital Kiwi. Org

Past time for cat curfew.... Any moggy out past 20:00 becomes fair game.... Oh boy would that ruffle a few feathers. 99% of the time the one that allows us to live in her house is locked inside at night.very seldome we can't get her in and keep her inside by sundown.

So you could justify to yourself killing the neighbour’s kid’s pet cat Micky, just because they couldn’t manage to coax it inside by 20.00?

We have a semi tame stray cat living in our barn. She keeps the mice and rats away, and does a bloody good job of it, but won’t come near the house as we have two dogs. She is spayed so doesn’t add to the cat numbers in the area. So according to you we should kill her as we cannot lock her up?.

if cockies can train cows and others can train dogs using collars to stay within a certain area and not cross a line..its entirely feasable to do same with cats....ifthe ystay within say 100mtrs of centre city house no issue..but once get past that collar gives tone,then vibrates then wee tickle then zap....clever as they are it would take very short time and they would stay home...shrink boundary as gets towards night and within VERY short space of time moggy is indoors and doesnt want to go out.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

if cockies can train cows and others can train dogs using collars to stay within a certain area and not cross a line..its entirely feasable to do same with cats....ifthe ystay within say 100mtrs of centre city house no issue..but once get past that collar gives tone,then vibrates then wee tickle then zap....clever as they are it would take very short time and they would stay home...shrink boundary as gets towards night and within VERY short space of time moggy is indoors and doesnt want to go out.

Only problem with your theory is keeping a bloody collar on the cat. The only way my daughter has found so far is to use pretty wire-cored flower arranging stuff, wound tight enough to nearly top the cat. THAT was a fun job, rescuing that pissed off barstool and pinning him down long enough to unwind his new decoration... Daughter is ASD and just loves cats, and can't understand why the cute black and white furry lump that lets her live in it's house won't cooperate. His track record with cuddles and collars etc is shite to be fair.

Originally Posted by Sauer

So you could justify to yourself killing the neighbour’s kid’s pet cat Micky, just because they couldn’t manage to coax it inside by 20.00?

We have a semi tame stray cat living in our barn. She keeps the mice and rats away, and does a bloody good job of it, but won’t come near the house as we have two dogs. She is spayed so doesn’t add to the cat numbers in the area. So according to you we should kill her as we cannot lock her up?.

I did some volunteer DOC-work on Great-Barrier years ago , we Live-caught cats to document how far they roamed and what areas , my 'colleague' didn't release-them as-instructed , but killed and gutted-them . They all contained highly-endangered lizards/gekhos , another occasion in the Central Nth-Island we put a tracking-device on the Moggy that lived in the Doc-accommodation , it traveled 4k into the forest which surprised a few . They are very-efficient Predators and definitely impact our Native species . We have five in our household , which is too-many I believe and we won't be replacing-them as they age and die . I personally would Ban them completely from our off-shore Islands . The largest wild-one I've seen was shot with a .243 in the Uraweras in the 70's , it was huge ( small-goat-size ), suggesting they are evolving

if we are to control cats it requires hard measures which will not be popular and in many towns likely ignored - all cats kept as pets neutered or sterilized - if allowed out a bell and dazzle collar -that way any cat out without a collar - fair game - if people want to get a cat then they get one from SPCA - no breeding allowed unless pedigree for shows as member of a cat club -- but as rewa alludes to they are well entrenched in our native - I have done survey trap lines way into Te Urewera Raukumara and cats and they are likely over what ?? 10-20 generations maybe more - we cannot afford to be precious - if we are to do something it needs to be effective

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

if we are to control cats it requires hard measures which will not be popular and in many towns likely ignored - all cats kept as pets neutered or sterilized - if allowed out a bell and dazzle collar -that way any cat out without a collar - fair game - if people want to get a cat then they get one from SPCA - no breeding allowed unless pedigree for shows as member of a cat club -- but as rewa alludes to they are well entrenched in our native - I have done survey trap lines way into Te Urewera Raukumara and cats and they are likely over what ?? 10-20 generations maybe more - we cannot afford to be precious - if we are to do something it needs to be effective

Same comment, impossible to keep a collar on cats if they don't want it. 20km range for some cats too... Only real way to differentiate between domestic and feral is by behaviour. Cats are but one source of danger to birds, everything from wasps through to weasels and every letter in between the rest of the A - Z needs to be sorted too.

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

if we are to control cats it requires hard measures which will not be popular and in many towns likely ignored - all cats kept as pets neutered or sterilized - if allowed out a bell and dazzle collar -that way any cat out without a collar - fair game - if people want to get a cat then they get one from SPCA - no breeding allowed unless pedigree for shows as member of a cat club -- but as rewa alludes to they are well entrenched in our native - I have done survey trap lines way into Te Urewera Raukumara and cats and they are likely over what ?? 10-20 generations maybe more - we cannot afford to be precious - if we are to do something it needs to be effective

I agree with the fixing suggestion, but a collar just won't work. Also chipping is nearly a waste of time - running a 50% failure rate so far and the current cat is wearing a chip that won't scan. As far as birds, my windows have claimed more kills than the cat running an average 50 a year to the house and sheds or nearly one a week (that we find). Cars are worse too. People get precious about cats, but they are just one source of lethality. Waste of time blaming it all on cats without trying to solve the rest of the issues as well. Yeah cat kill ain't good, but humans are worse. Just saying...

Originally Posted by No.3

I agree with the fixing suggestion, but a collar just won't work. Also chipping is nearly a waste of time - running a 50% failure rate so far and the current cat is wearing a chip that won't scan. As far as birds, my windows have claimed more kills than the cat running an average 50 a year to the house and sheds or nearly one a week (that we find). Cars are worse too. People get precious about cats, but they are just one source of lethality. Waste of time blaming it all on cats without trying to solve the rest of the issues as well. Yeah cat kill ain't good, but humans are worse. Just saying...

Interesting what you say about tha failure rate of chips in cats, I hadn't heard of that

I had heard of a German invention that was a glass made which has a pattern to it which is in a light frequency which birds can see but we can't - apparently to a bird, the window would look like a tree or something solid
Dunno if it worked commercially but an interesting idea

if its out in a reserve after dark..so actively hunting and it gets caught up in crossfire or trapped...its acceptable collateral damage yes.
the neighbours kids lost interest in the "pet" aspect about the time mum said they had to clean out the litter box and feed it themselves.
we have had a house cat most of my life..all been well fed but was eye opening just how far away from house they will go,I still recal shooting rabbit with .12ga a good 6-700 yards away from house and got hell of a shock when Ginger,our persian cross took off from nearby thistle patch...he was of course waiting on back lawn for me to deliver his rabbit when I returned to house.

Great piece of news

By the way, @Hugh Shields - when you say

there is too much scratching involved with wild pussy!

All I can do is note that some guys love the drama..

Hum, clearly the Karori enclosures aren't keeping the kiwi in.

Originally Posted by Snoppernator

Hum, clearly the Karori enclosures aren't keeping the kiwi in.

Sorry @Snoppernator but you are cross pollinating the local kiwi projects.

The Karori Sanctuary, now called Zealandia was NZ first fully fenced mainland predator free conservation project of its type. The fence is 8km long and keeps predators OUT and Kiwi IN! No problem there. Little Spotted Kiwi were translocation from Kapiti Island and release by the then Prime Minister Helen Clark and Iwi. They are thriving and NOT escaping.

The second project in Wellington is called Capital Kiwi and is completely separate from Zealandia. It's vision is to create an open predator free environment stretching from the south coast, Owhiro Bay, Red Rocks, Karori Light, Terawhiti Station to Titahi Bay in the north. The need of Kiwi released at Sheppards Gully on the southern coast is the larger Brown Kiwi, which is thought to be stronger and more likely to fight off predators. This Kiwi has traveled about 15km to get to Broadmeadows, and has 15 to go to get to Titahi Bay.

https://www.capitalkiwi.co.nz/

A cat off its owner property should be deemed feral and fair game. As should roaming dogs.