Thread: Kiwi caught on CCTV in Broadmeadows Wellington

Originally Posted by Fee Knicks

A cat off its owner property should be deemed feral and fair game. As should roaming dogs.

roaming dogs ARE targeted by councils and if caught and locked up cost hard earned $$$ to get back out..if not claimed get put down.... so it is not a level playing field between cats n dogs at the moment

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

roaming dogs ARE targeted by councils and if caught and locked up cost hard earned $$$ to get back out..if not claimed get put down.... so it is not a level playing field between cats n dogs at the moment

/Puts on my best Yes Minister voice/
Well you see the councils cannot possibly do that with cats, as cat owners aren't required to pay an annual license fee.

Sorry Micky but that last post of yours was just pure drivel.

It’s pretty hypocritical of you guys to criticise F&B’s stance on wild herbivores destroying native habitat but then be up in arms about cats killing native birds. I am not in any way defending F&B.

Originally Posted by Sauer

Sorry Micky but that last post of yours was just pure drivel.

It’s pretty hypocritical of you guys to criticise F&B’s stance on wild herbivores destroying native habitat but then be up in arms about cats killing native birds. I am not in any way defending F&B.

Hyper critical you say..... F&B also want cats contained.... Cats helping to destroy native birds.herbivours are destroying native plants...both species can exist if and only if numbers are kept in check so balance stays in favour of that that gets eaten..,.

This is an interesting discussion that wont be solved anytime soon , but the tide is turning against cats being able to roam wherever and whenever they want.

Originally Posted by sore head stoat

This is an interesting discussion that wont be solved anytime soon , but the tide is turning against cats being able to roam wherever and whenever they want.

yep ..... and makes me even more bemused with this relatively recent enthusiasm that's emerged to carry out threatened species restoration projects in/adjacent to urban areas, or otherwise intensively managed rural ( e.g. farms/exotic forests) sites.

Been pretty well established I thought in places like Tongariro Forest that regular predator control operations ( yes, aerial 1080) will provide thriving bird populations. Then you get the species where they belong.... in (relatively) natural habitats. Can't help but think a heap of feelz has crept into stuff like this, as well.

Such a pity such a positive news article can decend so quickly in the SOS debate around cats.
It was the same hysteria when the Karori Wildlife Sanctuary (and every other Sanctuary is formed) "(Screaming) THEIR GOING TO KILL MY PUSSY!!!!" (Follwed by hysterical sobbing...) Get a grip!

The rules are simple, you can issue a Trespass Order on a dog, but not a cat.
Dogs must have collar, but not cats.
You can shoot maurading dogs AND you can shoot marauding cats (Pause........Wait for hysterical outburst.....)

The effects marauding cats have on native species in New Zealand is well documented in the NZ Geographic, as well as the Australian situation in the National Geographic, as well as multiple websites (DOC) and multiple news articles. A series of autopsy on feral cat showed the remains of 32 native species.

I once shot a domestic cat, in an area where I was authorized to hunt feral cats, which was 750 metres away from home.

People ask me, "How can you tell the difference between a feral cat and a domestic cat?" That’s easy, "Feral cats are the ones which are not wearing a reflective collar or a bell!" "My cat doesn't wear a collar!?" "Perhaps it should......"

The NZ Geographic article also discussed ways of containing domestic cats on its home property. Containment is expected and achievable for dogs, it should be the same rules for cats.

It is worth noting that the battle to contain feral cats to the east coast has been lost! Feral cats have now crossed the main devide into Fiordland.

The time has arrived for Wellingtonians to decide whether they want wild pussy or long legged kiwi chick's on their front lawns??? I personally prefer long legged kiwi chick's, there is too much scratching involved with wild pussy!

Not something I can get my knickers in a twist about either way. As you say though, there is a choice to be made, pet cats or native fauna.

Straight back at yah @rewa that's a great, detailed and sobering report, thanks for putting a first hand experience into the otherwise emotive discussion.

As a by product of my rabbit culling business I send frozen rabbit pieces to Windy Hill Sanctuary on Great Barrier Island for catching feral cats. Their website says the have killed over 200 feral cats. I want youbtoo know that the good work which you and your mates were involved in, continues to this day. I'm very proud to be supporting Wild Hill Sanctuary ongoing environmental protection and suggest that other rabbit shooters could supply rabbit baits to other predator free conservation projects.

Last week I caught a massive male ferret by hanging a couple of whole, bloody rabbits inside an empty wire dog kennel with ring/circle of DOC200 traps under the rabbit. The ferret trigger three of them and got catch in two! Classic booby trap!

Originally Posted by Hugh Shields

Straight back at yah @rewa that's a great, detailed and sobering report, thanks for putting a first hand experience into the otherwise emotive discussion.

As a by product of my rabbit culling business I send frozen rabbit pieces to Windy Hill Sanctuary on Great Barrier Island for catching feral cats. Their website says the have killed over 200 feral cats. I want youbtoo know that the good work which you and your mates were involved in, continues to this day. I'm very proud to be supporting Wild Hill Sanctuary ongoing environmental protection and suggest that other rabbit shooters could supply rabbit baits to other predator free conservation projects.

Last week I caught a massive male ferret by hanging a couple of whole, bloody rabbits inside an empty wire dog kennel with ring/circle of DOC200 traps under the rabbit. The ferret trigger three of them and got catch in two! Classic booby trap!

Ha Ha love ya method we had two dogs roaming down the far end of Lake Waikaremoana - I had info from an Aussie dog trapper and they used multiple traps in a circle around a bait - the traps were all camoflaged - that was the only way they could catch them - these two were shot on a deer carcass by a local hunter

Originally Posted by Hugh Shields

Straight back at yah @rewa that's a great, detailed and sobering report, thanks for putting a first hand experience into the otherwise emotive discussion.

As a by product of my rabbit culling business I send frozen rabbit pieces to Windy Hill Sanctuary on Great Barrier Island for catching feral cats. Their website says the have killed over 200 feral cats. I want youbtoo know that the good work which you and your mates were involved in, continues to this day. I'm very proud to be supporting Wild Hill Sanctuary ongoing environmental protection and suggest that other rabbit shooters could supply rabbit baits to other predator free conservation projects.

Last week I caught a massive male ferret by hanging a couple of whole, bloody rabbits inside an empty wire dog kennel with ring/circle of DOC200 traps under the rabbit. The ferret trigger three of them and got catch in two! Classic booby trap!

Unbelievable how large those ferrets get . Glad to know that work is still happening on Barrier , they had banned or were about to ban any new cats on the Island , I don't think there was a huge feral-problem back then so things must have gone downhill a bit . When you see those Chevron-Skinks you realise how special they are , big-ones around 30cm are pretty-amazing , most people probably don't know they exist

Collar, its simple the collar goes on not long after birth and the cat gets used to it.

Chipping, get a new chip.

Windows, yip they claim a few birds here also but I dont want to live in a cave and I guess you dont as well ? windows are needed.

Cars, yip they get a few but walking to the supermarket isnt an option for me and so a car is needed.

Is your cat needed ? or could you get by with a small dog that is registered, chipped properly, walked on a lead, not let out at night to roam where it wants, killing what it wants esp when it can get a feed at home ?

Originally Posted by sore head stoat

Collar, its simple the collar goes on not long after birth and the cat gets used to it.

Chipping, get a new chip.

Windows, yip they claim a few birds here also but I dont want to live in a cave and I guess you dont as well ? windows are needed.

Cars, yip they get a few but walking to the supermarket isnt an option for me and so a car is needed.

Is your cat needed ? or could you get by with a small dog that is registered, chipped properly, walked on a lead, not let out at night to roam where it wants, killing what it wants esp when it can get a feed at home ?

No they don't. Some cats are happy to wear collars like some humans are happy to wear shackles I guess. Others (the majority in my experience) are not.

Just coming out and saying "collar all cats" is about as possible as stating "everyone will buy an electric car in 2024 to replace their ICE". Just because you want it to happen and don't like ICE cars or cats, I have to be the one to break it to you you're sh1te outta luck. Also about as likely as keeping all cats inside, most of the cats around these parts DO NOT GO INSIDE EVER. They are bloody nice tame domestic cats, turn up for a scratch and a pat outside the house they just chose to not go inside at all and have their routines outside. A bit of realism about the animal is needed here I think, might as well start bleating about Rosalla's, Magpie's and Myna's and they damage they do to native bird numbers if you're going to bleat about cats. Everyone here is quick to bleat about F&B and them wanting to rid the country of deer, but F&B actually have a point and are quite correct under the law regarding the Wapiti herd - no legal basis to manage the herd under the current legal setup.

I'll add here for some people, their cats are needed and it's a vital thing for them. If it was their cat(s) or an unknown human dying, sorry human, I personally don't need or want a dog at this point in time, no intention to get one and small dogs just piss me off to be fair. In comparison cats are cleaner, quieter, no stupid high strung character flaws and I can't be arsed picking up dog crap. Plus, the current cat is up to something like several hundred rats, more mice, about 12 rabbits, two stoats and a few other pest species. Dogs are useless in that regard.

Well according to the SPCA ,remember they are very pro cat and probably were the ones that coined the phrase TNR [trap neuter return] after catching feral cats desexing them and releasing them again... "Cats are not bothered by collars"

Originally Posted by sore head stoat

Well according to the SPCA ,remember they are very pro cat and probably were the ones that coined the phrase TNR [trap neuter return] after catching feral cats desexing them and releasing them again... "Cats are not bothered by collars"

This would be the same SPCA that called the cat my mother took from them 'bitey' and 'highly strung'. It would be neither, just your average tortie. The organisation is only as good as it's people and a lot of them are well meaning but f-all idea.

I can tell you that 97% of the cat's I've had are not bothered by collars - they get a collar put on them, they bugger off and turn up 20 minutes later sans-collar completely unperturbed. I have never found a shed collar out in the wild around my block either. Definitely not bothered by collars at all, just don't keep them on. (that's the capital full stop)