Since there seems to be people here who hunt at long range so can you show me some pics of the damage to animals at certain ranges please, Im keen to see what differences there are between say 50-1000m with one of those big calibers.
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Since there seems to be people here who hunt at long range so can you show me some pics of the damage to animals at certain ranges please, Im keen to see what differences there are between say 50-1000m with one of those big calibers.
300 yards, 6.5x55, 140 grn AMax. Not "one of those big calibers" though. The hole is the exit.
Broadside, straight across gully. MV 2800 fps.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...ll/NAFH015.jpg
Still a damage report and it helps me understand calibers damage to different size animals so thanks.
40 yards with 243 and 95 grn Targex. Yearling Fallow. Ouch!
Angled running away, low shoulder shot, no exit.
A good example why we have to be damned careful about where we point firearms and what we are actually shooting at, eh. No second chances.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...l/P1000677.jpg
If people could post impact velocity, shot angle, calibre and bullet type alongside the autopsy then there could be potential for some useful information, start tosee the real world terminal performance patterns over different velocity ranges. Would require quite a few posts to be definitive but could develop a good base over time
This wasnt long range or anything but a turkey with 7.62x39mm
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A goat with my 6.5x55 at about 35m, was my mates first kill and first time shooting a big rifle he was pretty stoked, hes only shot the .22lr a few times when I taught him safety and how a bolt works
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A .270 from about 60-80m
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6.5x55 was using winchester super x 140gr and .270 was with highland not sure cause it wasnt my gun just saw him hand me bullets from a highland box but assume 130gr as thats what he says he likes for deer.
Just remember you cant lump bullets/weights performance together. Impact velocity is the thing not range, differnt cals and cartridges Can push a pill to a wide velocity range.
30 cal amax 168gr impact vel 2180 fps
Behind shoulder meat no bone between ribs.
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/i...Fishing008.jpg
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Both lungs anihalated run 50 odd yards due to taking out top of heart as well.
mint, yeah your right I wouldnt except to see damage like that done from a FMJ, still like looking at it though, is hitting bone good or bad for getting a fast kill?
130ttsx30cal impact velocity 3180fps
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/i...ngstuff018.jpg
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Oh I like that hole, did it die on the spot?
.375 400 Cutting Edge muxxle velocity of 2920 775 yards
Red Hind
http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/...Greg/003-3.jpg
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Stag that was on the ute behind the pic of the Hind.
http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/...i-Greg/012.jpg
http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/...i-Greg/017.jpg
Looking forward to seeing what another 200-250 fps muzzle velocity will make :)
That depends entirely on the pill and impact velocity, even thick skin eg roaring stag or matted coat full of mud can cause "Issues" with a very frangible pill at high impact velocity's(IE close) without hitting bone at all.
A "harder/Tougher" pill out of a smallish case and med ranges may "require" hitting bone or at least substantial resistance(thick skin/hair and a heap of shoulder meat) to even expand.
Holy fuck. That is wow. I want that lol the ole man will cry about meat wastage but it just means hunting more. Do you think ballistic tip projectiles work better then soft points of lead? for say around 80m in 6.5? Thats probably common range for deer with me I havnet shot many deer though but I buy Winchester super x's 140gr with the leap tips and they seem ok but some people told me they are shit and to use Ballistic tip projectiles and other's say keep using them cause there better, I dont trust any of them as they dont know shit, just old guys talking rubbish, I trust you guys to know what your doing.
You guys dont seem to talk much crap from what I have seen, Although I haven't been here long :)
Yup sounds good, I will remember now when im hunting if i kill anything try to get a picture to help.
Hi Toby check out Nathans website Wound Database this will go along way to answer your questions.
All of these photographs of severe trauma are very familiar in that I have often seen the same sort of damage but I have just been racking my brain and I cannot recall ever having taken a photograph of a skinned animal hanging.
243, MV 3080 fps, 95 grn Targex. 230 yds. Slightly down hill and quartering away, hit in crease. Lung and heart damage. Only bullet fragments found (scattered about in lungs and heart.
Large rib entry hole, but only pin prick in skin. I think all of the blood was pumped through the rib hole and couldn't escape so ended up between the ribs and the skin.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...rdinner019.jpg
Note: I'm happy to post these pics for the purpose of learning about how bullets work and how to cause quick and humane deaths. If it turns into a bullshit shock and awe thread I will pull my pics down.
Tahr was the meat on the front fore quarter ok? just congealed blood to cut away?
This is a good thread - normally you would look at that photo and go $%^@& was he using a 685 greg super cannon improved, with damage like that.
But your description changes how it looks - keep up the good work guys!
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And no i wasnt encouraging Kiwi Greg to make an even bigger cannon than the ones he used now:yaeh am not durnk:
Did it drop on the spot?
If you are asking about my last pic, yes, it ran about 50 yards down hill. Bolted at the shot, but had a bit of a sideways run going on as it disappeared, so I knew it was hit hard. It was upside down in a creek.
Bolting at the shot is quite common with lung and heart shots.
What would a .223 be like damage wise to goats around 100m-200m just using cheap ammo 55gr or something around that? Would they go very far after a good hit in the shoulder? I want a goat gun to add to my collection but I like things with cheap ammo but I dont want to hit things and watch them run to far away.
Toby it is like this. You can be like a road ganger swinging a hammer or a surgeon weilding a scapel. How dead do you want to make something...I prefer to eat right up to the bullet hole instead of throwing half an animal away. I have to admit to viewing some of this evidence here with a degree of distaste.
Yeah ok some people like to eat everything on the animal, I do when it comes to venison/pork but the goats roam around here in huge numbers so I just want something cheap but good to kill em
Are you aware Toby that parts of these forums often turn up on various internet sights not connected to hunting.
Yes i am, nothing illegal going on so what is there to be worried about?
Is it good that the lead comes out from the jacket?
I'm not too experienced, but having taken a reasonable number of goats (and roos) with a .223 in the last 6 months or so, here's what I've found -
I'm now using the Hornady 55gr sp training ammo, and while it's fine for decent chest/shoulder shots out to around 170y or so, I've found that approaching the 200 yard mark and beyond, it simply isn't killing acceptably with those shots.
Admittedly they were big gnarly old goats, but I've found on several occasions ranging from approx 190-220 that a decently placed shoulder, chest, or even neck shot simply wasn't killing the goat. It knocked them down and would likely have killed them eventually, but a few too many times we've gone for the confirmation only to find the goat down but still alive, up to 15 or 20 minutes after. I've only really finalised this conclusion on the last trip, but with that in mind I think I'm going to be restricting myself to headshots only from 180y or so onwards, at least with this ammo.
Thanks for info, how much does that ammo cost?
sometime's I find my projectiles the lead is gone, I will post pics when I go back home of them, Would it take weight of the bullet out if lead comes out making the jacket stop faster?
Oh yeah thats not too bad