Thread: Ministry for Hunting and Fishing confirmed

I like think the positive but the cynic in me .....

Guess time will tell......

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we didnt have side by sides or even 4 wheel farm bikes back then either.... we havent just had a world war ,loosing large proportion of young outdoors men either... covid gave deer 2 years break...not even in same ballpark... for sure the herds are much more widespread than they were back then..but arguably so are people...there are a LOT less remote areas that arent watched/hunted.
and lets be completely honest about it...
if we really wanted to hammer an area hard with recreational hunters,we could do it with little bit of help quite easily. dont need 6 weeks and a pack horse train to hunt the Landsborough anymore . and to hark back to a recently shown awesome video...the deer were in pockets in snow conditions,those 60 hinds wouldnt stand a chance if a hughes 500 came over the ridge with half competent operators, out after scalps ,who didnt have to stop and recover meat..search n destroy from the air is terribly effective and THANKFULLY we have never seen it used widespread....just look at tahrmageddon and how worried we all were......if that happened widespread,each spring the deer numbers would be hammered pretty darn quickly

I know a few guys who made a bit of money and bought themselves a bit of land adjacent to DOC land so as to enjoy recreational hunting and shooting. Their property do not necessarily have to make a return, braking even can be enough for them.
They tend to manage their property pretty well, with trapping …etc. But one thing for sure, they want deer ( and sometime pigs ) on their land , and only their mate to come around and nobody else.
Another point, the handful of professional cullers i am talking to at a moment are shooting deers in the 100’s monthly if not weekly.
Even if farmers were opening their doors to weekend recreational hunters, I do not think they would achieve what professional cullers can do 5 to 6 days of a week every week.

regarding the new minister for fisheries, Shane jones , I think he will play against the minister for fishing and hunting, and probably letting the industry he represents carry on doing what they do to the detriment of recreational fishers, notably in the hauraki gulf.
Having Todd McLay there, might also be a way for National to have a better control over the indépendance of fish and game over what they do and their policies on cleaner rivers, which federated farmers don’t always like too much…

Originally Posted by Friwi

I know a few guys who made a bit of money and bought themselves a bit of land adjacent to DOC land so as to enjoy recreational hunting and shooting. Their property do not necessarily have to make a return, braking even can be enough for them.
They tend to manage their property pretty well, with trapping …etc. But one thing for sure, they want deer ( and sometime pigs ) on their land , and only their mate to come around and nobody else.

That's the dream.

The problem with selling the meat is poison, some landowners want the deer shot but don’t want to pay but due to boadificum we can’t sell the deer for 3 years. We tell the farmer not to put it out again but they do and then moan that we can’t shoot the deer

Yep then thats a farmer problem. The truth is he could find a solution if he was motivated too.

back in the day..the cullers shot 1400 goats off our farm in months before we bought it..similar numbers of all the neighbours..... that put a hell of a big dent in population and it wasnt hard to keep on top of it from then onwards.
that was on foot too.
come the boom year of high goat prices,we saw poaching from the sky.

I agree totally,there will always be farms where some deer and some pigs are wanted,long may it stay that way....but if numbers are that high they causing issues elsewhere,it will need to be addressed....and yes the DOC controlled land is the same...how they manage to get away with rampant gorse is beyond me...its a noxious weed..it should be controlled.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

DOC controlled land is the same...how they manage to get away with rampant gorse is beyond me...its a noxious weed..it should be controlled.

Rules for thee but not for me.

I wouldn't get your knickers in a knot about gorse to be fair...its actually a fantastic nurse crop for our NZ natives...

Just take a look at the Able Tasman. When I was lets say 5-10years old. Gorse ruled the coastline from marahau to anchorage. I'm almost 50 now and what a difference!!

The native seedlings have pushed their way thru the gorse having been protected by it for years. Gorse can't live without sunlight so it falls apart and dies. In the process it release's a tonne of nitrogen and the natives get a massive boost.

There are far worse weeds to worry about..

Pine trees.
Dougles fir.
Pampas grass.
Hakea.

To name a few

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Originally Posted by kukuwai

I wouldn't get your knickers in a knot about gorse to be fair...its actually a fantastic nurse crop for our NZ natives...

Just take a look at the Able Tasman. When I was lets say 5-10years old. Gorse ruled the coastline from marahau to anchorage. I'm almost 50 now and what a difference!!

The native seedlings have pushed their way thru the gorse having been protected by it for years. Gorse can't live without sunlight so it falls apart and dies. In the process it release's a tonne of nitrogen and the natives get a massive boost.

There are far worse weeds to worry about..

Pine trees.
Dougles fir.
Pampas grass.
Hakea.

To name a few

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Agreed - Gorse on the Remutakas was the same - everywhere when I was a kid but now more regen is coming through

Originally Posted by kukuwai

I wouldn't get your knickers in a knot about gorse to be fair...its actually a fantastic nurse crop for our NZ natives...

Just take a look at the Able Tasman. When I was lets say 5-10years old. Gorse ruled the coastline from marahau to anchorage. I'm almost 50 now and what a difference!!

The native seedlings have pushed their way thru the gorse having been protected by it for years. Gorse can't live without sunlight so it falls apart and dies. In the process it release's a tonne of nitrogen and the natives get a massive boost.

There are far worse weeds to worry about..

Pine trees.
Dougles fir.
Pampas grass.
Hakea.

To name a few

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Douglas fir is one of the best trees ever to plant in nz. Love them, fukn awesome, more the merrier, I'd love to see half the McKenzie planted with it.

Originally Posted by SmokeyJason

Douglas fir is one of the best trees ever to plant in nz. Love them, fukn awesome, more the merrier, I'd love to see half the McKenzie planted with it.

You must be joking !!

It can subside above our natural bushline so is one of the greatest threats to NZs alpine environment.

Obviously you don't enjoy hunting the tops

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Originally Posted by kukuwai

You must be joking !!

It can subside above our natural bushline so is one of the greatest threats to NZs alpine environment.

Obviously you don't enjoy hunting the tops

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I would not sweat it kukuwai just a windup no one wants wilding pines including Douglas in our hunting land no one is that silly surely

It's also shade tolerant and gone grow up through a beech forest canopy and then block out the beech forest. It's a nasty beast in the wrong place. I think Forest Creek is a good example of a Douglas Fir plantation giving the neighbouring landowners a headache.

Up here Auckland council has a full time hunter trying to keep the deer out of hunua ranges.
He’s fighting a losing battle.
He has legal access to any property around here he believes are on.
The landowners get a text message from him stating he’ll be on their property that night.
If Auckland council can do it then surely the rest of NZ can be covered by authorities for wild deer control.

I’ll laugh my arse off at all the farms that have set up businesses having hunters pay to shoot wild animals that come out of the bush when a 500 comes over the ridge and starts laying into the mobs. Far out there’ll be some crying.