Not sure if some of you guys have seen the news, 500 units coming for Hunting and fishing, other stores are doing it too
New Garmin Alpha 100/T5 Dog Tracking System
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Not sure if some of you guys have seen the news, 500 units coming for Hunting and fishing, other stores are doing it too
New Garmin Alpha 100/T5 Dog Tracking System
They look good , the battery save mode for lost dogs will be the feature that stands out .
I would imagine you would be hard pressed to keep the price of the "other Garmins" at the current level?? Great stuff that they have finally listened. I know when i worked in a hunting shop we kept saying to the rep....nz needs these. the answer from garmin was NZ...where are they. Not a big enough market. Well i guess we are. Great stuff i say, good price for 2 collar unit too??
It has a few features that sound good. I have heard of guys using the tone and vibration mode to train the dogs to turn and return
The current prices of the other garmin are certainly up there , I'm sure those prices will drop so it's a win win both ways
Having a warranty and able to service easily has to be the biggest plus
These also comply to Aust, Canada, nearly all of Asia and also with the new(about to be announced) USA Radio Spectrum that the Astro system with be not be able to be used in. So yes, the NZ market wouldn't be big enough alone.
These were no developed specifically for NZ.
Also, glad to see the collars are water resistance to 10m, I'm getting sick of stuffed collars when my dog swims to the bottom of the lake to catch a rock! :)
According the RSM, these are still prohibited in NZ(August 2013), From the RSM website:
Radiocommunications Regulations (Prohibited Equipment – Dog Tracking Devices) Notice 2013
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Pursuant to Regulation 32(1)(a) and (i) of the Radiocommunications Regulations 2001, and acting under delegated authority from the chief executive, I give the following notice.
Notice
1. Title and commencement -
This notice is the Radiocommunications Regulations (Prohibited Equipment – Dog Tracking Devices) Notice 2013.
This notice comes into force on 8 August 2013.
2. Interpretation -
In this notice:
Dog-tracking devices means the radio apparatus described in the Schedule to this notice.
3. Prohibition -
Dog-tracking devices are interfering equipment.
Dog-tracking devices are declared to be prohibited equipment.
The installation, use, sale, distribution, manufacture or importation of dog-tracking devices is prohibited.
4. Consequential revocation of notice -
The Radiocommunications Regulations (Prohibited Equipment – Dog Tracking Devices) Notice 2012, dated the 20th day of February 2012 and published in the New Zealand Gazette, 23 February 2012, No. 20, page 474, is revoked.
Schedule
Radio equipment or part thereof used for, or with the primary purpose of being used for, tracking or locating dogs or other animals that operate in the frequencies 151.820 MHz, 151.880 MHz, 151.940 MHz, 154.570 MHz and 154.600 MHz, including, but not limited to, the following makes and models operating within these frequencies:
Garmin Astro 220 system
Garmin Astro 320 system
Garmin Alpha 100 system
Garmin DC 20 collar
Garmin DC 30 collar
Garmin DC 40 collar
Garmin TT 10 collar
SportDOG TEK equipment
Dated at Auckland this 2nd day of August 2013.
CHRIS BRENNAN, Compliance Manager, Radio Spectrum Management, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment.
Explanatory Note
This note is not part of the notice, but is intended to indicate its general effect.
This notice prescribes that, pursuant to Regulation-making powers of the Radiocommunications Act 1989, the installation, use, sale, distribution, manufacture or importation of interfering equipment or part thereof as prescribed in the notice, is prohibited. This notice comes into effect on 8 August 2013.
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Ok, so the US one has a part number of 010-01041-50 and Humping and Fisting are stating a part number 010-01041-54 for NZ. Therefore, I assume the -54 is not broadcasting on the 151-154MHz range, and is mostly to be in the Free to Air 900MHz range, or on one if the Free 450MHz(however you are not allowed to use this range continually).
Interesting.
Agree. We are such a small cog in a big wheel!
The whole Astro- Dc collar range/ NZ is a big f up.
Local police know nothing about them being 'illegal' and local SAR know but couldn't care less. I know, I have one and use it on exercises. The astro that is.
Hunting and fishing will be piddling in the pot now, thickening the already muddy waters that we have lived with now for years as illegal hunters.
I hope this unit is as good or better, I hear it is, I know for me at least I couldn't live without my gear.
Thanks for posting.
I have bitten the bullet and put my name down on one, just need to go into town and put a deposit on it
Full report when you receive it thanks moonhunt
Will do
Bad timing for that nz guys who just spent all that time and money decoding the old Astros and getting them legalised. This will under cut his market...but better for us as it's way cheaper
A mate has put his deposit down for a set.
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I'd be a little wary about jumping into this new gear before others have tried it to start with.
Yes it is a little cheaper than the current Garmin gear available through various importers, BUT.....and this is why I say you should hold on...
This new gear runs on a free/public frequency. Anyone who has tried to use a marine VHF on a public chat channel will know that interference is a big problem. I'd be worried about this happening to the tracking gear by other users of the frequency.
Secondly, I have heard they have dropped the output power down to half a watt. The current Astro 320 is running at 2 watts. If this is the case that would potentially mean the range of the unit is a quarter of the existing gear. This is a BIG issue where everyone is trying to get the most range possible.
Thirdly, the new gear will not be compatible with any of the exisiting gear out there. Basically you are starting from scratch, and if your mate stays with his old gear, you won't see his dogs and vice versa.
Forthy, the near gear uses the Alpha 100 touch screen units. They have been around for 2 years now and very few people ever upgraded to them as there were reports the touch screen was difficult to operate when wet or you had blood on your hands. Also that the battery life of the unit didn't last as long as the screen is larger etc.
Fifthly (is that a word?), they are incorporating the new T5 collars. It is a shame they chose these instead of the TT10's or the newer TT15's as the T5's have no shock function which was the real attraction of the Alpha system. So I feel many people would have been getting excited thinking they may be getting shock ones. :-(
There may be other issues, but these are really enough for me to want to sit back and see how they really work.
It is surprising that H&F are asking people for pre-orders and deposits....not much faith in their product if they have to do this.
Yea gutted they dont have shock function. Hopefully they upgrade the collars in time to the better ones. Cheers inov8 for the update half watt be no good in the scub. Does anyone know if these will communicate with the rino 650s?
I would want to know its operating freq and transmission power output for sure. before I laid down my cash.
If these are running on a free/ public frequency then presumably they are UHF as against VHF (for which a license is needed). So I guess it is possible they will communicate with the radio/polling function on the Rino, if on the same frequency.
My 2c worth on shock collars is that NZ is likely to be one of the few markets actually wanting this function. The do gooders in USA and Eu have probably made shock collars all but illegal from what I have read elsewhere.
If they are using UHF, then they don't pose a threat to the likes of SAR/DOC/Logging crews
Well if they be transmitting on UHF in the 433mhz band and they are only Tx at 1/2 watt then they might struggle a bit for range.
Pessimists :) The altered gear trials worked well so I am told, also the legal Tek1 seems to have plenty of range
I don't think Garmin would be sending out gear that wont preform, will happily send it back if it doesn't
Agreed. Surveyors generally use the range between 410-470MHz to get a corrected position from there GPS base station to the surveyor with the rover. Even at 2 watts and a clear line of sight on the Canterbury plains (not pine tree shelter belts in the way), they are limited to around 6km. Also depends on the atmospheric conditions. So drop down to 0.5watts and put a heap of tree and a ridge line in between and it possibly new over.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
The RSM have set a selection of "free to air" frequencies within this band (closer to 470MHz) for people to use without registration and cost. As many surveyor know, if someone else is working in the area on the same frequency, you might as will pack your gear up and head to the pub as any other Tx with block your signal.
I help develop and test GPS systems for a living for the large producer in the world. 10mm accuracy GPS systems too.
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Upland, I am sure you likely know already, but if you have other users on the same channel, you can get privacy by using the CTSS settings on most decent handsets
Correct, each collar will has a unique ID in the data packet. This is how each dog is correctly identified and the tracking actually happens, great function. Maybe using the world "block" isn't quite right. Maybe I'll try a different approach; think of what happens when everyone in a town uses their cell phone(consider this the dog collar) at the same time, this would be a town with maybe only one cell tower (the handheld tracker). Now each phone, even though it has a unique identifier, still uses part of the bandwidth of the cell network (radio frequency around the 900MHz range). When a lot of devices connect to a small bandwidth, eventually, some one get either cut off or the call doesn't actually go through to the person you are trying to call. Have you ever tried to call someone and nothing happens? This is due to the bandwidth of the network(or radio frequency) becoming over run with
information that it just fails.
The actually likely hood of this happening is normally low, unless at or after an event when lots of people(dogs) try to contact someone else via a cell tower(the handheld). After a big earthquake, at a concert, just after getting off the plane and everyone checks there phone. The network is screwed!
Ever had text messages not get to the person in the right order, this is the same thing.
Again, low likelihood, but every possible if the output power of the device is low, say 0.5watts.
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Is there an update to this?
I see dogmaster.co.nz is offering the TT15 collars now in NZ legal/ TT15 Garmin Track n Train GPS Collar - NEW - DogMaster Trainers
Do you work for an employer starting with the letter "T"Quote:
Originally Posted by Uplandstalker
highly likelyQuote:
Originally Posted by mikee
These seem to have a high repair rate.
Liking mine, no issues yet had it since it came out. Side by side with the astro it is about the same range, can loose coms around 400m with both sets of gear where I hunt, so I will look into a better aerial for the handset
Really like the bark indicator , and treed or sitting icon pops up quick, so I can tell quickly when its game on
I tape over the charging contacts with fresh clean tape every hunt and bring them and dry them in the lounge after a hunt close but not too close to the fire