Thread: the OFF TOPIC to Stags shot 21 (discussion of wild animal management)

Some quite informative posts here.

Don’t want to be the pedantic nana here but no one called one a cunt...yet. Just a voiced opinion however misguided, misjudged blah blah.

Also not cool to pick on people’s grammar, punctuation etc etc. Yes I know it makes it harder to read/understand but sure we can be adults about it...

Keep up the good work.

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Originally Posted by tiroahunta

Don’t want to be the pedantic nana here but no one called one a cunt...yet.

A good and factually correct point.

Would the following work as a proposal: Trophy producing areas are identified - for example the Rakaia to Whitcomb pass. To hunt these blocks a special 'Managed Trophy Animal' annual permit is required costing fifty dollars. The permit must be carried and hunting in the area without a permit will incur a fine of five thousand dollars. Strict conditions will apply to the types of animals taken and those holding a permit will be required to remove a take of hinds.
I believe that the average meat hunter would not bother when other open access areas are available.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Would the following work as a proposal: Trophy producing areas are identified - for example the Rakaia to Whitcomb pass. To hunt these blocks a special 'Managed Trophy Animal' annual permit is required costing fifty dollars. The permit must be carried and hunting in the area without a permit will incur a fine of five thousand dollars. Strict conditions will apply to the types of animals taken and those holding a permit will be required to remove a take of hinds.
I believe that the average meat hunter would not bother when other open access areas are available.

It could work, and is actually probably technically possible under current legislation, if:

You included an evidence based management plan to improve ecological outcomes over the current management, and it passed scrutiny by DOCs technical advisors, it would likely need to include detail of management tools, expected results supported by evidence, monitoring to determine outcomes, contingencies if management tools failed to meet outcomes, etc

The legal aspects of the plan passed scrutiny (And probably legal challenge from Green Groups) under variously the Wild Animal Control Act, the Conservation Act, the Reserves Act, various Conservation Management Strategies, etc.

Due process was followed in implementing it allowing consultation with the correct parties, and there was adequate social license to manage an area with the word "trophy" within a city block of the name

You could get buy in from the right people of influence to actually agree to implement it

It could generate enough revenue to cover the cost of administering, ensuring compliance, etc

There weren't any risks to DOC legally, ecologically, financially, or in terms of losing control of management if it failed

Commercial interests (WARO) weren't influential enough to shut it down




I still think that starting from a trophy based perspective is putting the cart before the horse.

Originally Posted by gimp

It could work, and is actually probably technically possible under current legislation, if:

You included an evidence based management plan to improve ecological outcomes over the current management, and it passed scrutiny by DOCs technical advisors, it would likely need to include detail of management tools, expected results supported by evidence, monitoring to determine outcomes, contingencies if management tools failed to meet outcomes, etc

The legal aspects of the plan passed scrutiny (And probably legal challenge from Green Groups) under variously the Wild Animal Control Act, the Conservation Act, the Reserves Act, various Conservation Management strategies, etc.

Due process was followed in implementing it allowing consolation with the correct parties, and there was adequate social license to manage an area with the word "trophy" within a city block of the name

You could get buy in from the right people of influence to actually agree to implement it

It could generate enough revenue to cover the cost of administering, ensuring compliance, etc

There weren't any risks to DOC legally, ecologically, financially, or in terms of losing control of management if it failed

Commercial interests (WARO) weren't influential enough to shut it down




I still think that starting from a trophy based perspective is putting the cart before the horse.

Agree with this however I think again the issue of enforcement rises it's head once again as well as the dirty word trophy. But I think its another idea to add to the piles of potentials if we can solve some problems.

Originally Posted by tiroahunta

Some quite informative posts here.

Don’t want to be the pedantic nana here but no one called one a cunt...yet. Just a voiced opinion however misguided, misjudged blah blah.

Also not cool to pick on people’s grammar, punctuation etc etc. Yes I know it makes it harder to read/understand but sure we can be adults about it...

Keep up the good work.

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I'm not picking on grammar mines not perfect I can read misplet words fine. But if you can't understand what's being said except only the odd bit then it's useless. It's really as simple as reading your own post aloud and seeing if it makes sense. If do it for my own posts often. That and seperating sentences with full stops not because grammar but because it makes words easy to understand. A simple example of grammar being important is "I messed up Grandma" and "I messed up, Grandma" one suggested you beat your grandma ones suggests you told your Grandma you messed up. Grammar isn't important but the being coherent is.

I in no way condone grammar bashing its not needed especially since many are typing on phone screens but that's not what was intended.

And your right no one was called a cunt but its wasn't a generalised opinion it was pointed and aimed to insult.
Saying something as simple as I don't think these things make sense. It makes it seem like a blah blah blah. There was no respect in the post so he got none back.