Thread: the OFF TOPIC to Stags shot 21 (discussion of wild animal management)

Originally Posted by bigbear

So hey kiwi hunter you shoot all the females but can you leave any heads/horns with potential for some foreign to come shoot, hold on wasn't it foreigners that all so pushed up house prices and fucked that for the average kiwis??
the average kiwi want be able to hunt in NZ on public land once a fee is involved.
Look at how many kiwi hunters miss out on ballots year after year to foreigners. If anything it should be draw to kiwis first and if there are any left over spots that's when they have the option of been given to a foreign hunter at a high cost
We also set up game parks for foreigners to come shoot animals in this country

Nothing is perfect in life, but the point on this matter is that currently WARO shoots out the biggest stags every summer in the trophy producing areas. They shoot stags in preference to hinds. As a consequence there are very few really good stags in these areas for anyone. What is the best alternative to the status quo ??

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

What is the best alternative to the status quo ??

Really need to define what sort of outcome(s) you want to achieve first

Originally Posted by gimp

Really need to define what sort of outcome(s) you want to achieve first

The outcome I would like to see is as follows:
A balanced age group population of deer with a good proportion of trophy quality and aged stags in those few areas that can produce them.
The current situation is that during periods of high feral venison prices the Waro operators go silly and cash in shooting every deer they can find. During periods of normal pricing they still do annual fly throughs targeting stags.
This results in the deer population becoming unbalanced as Waro creams off an annual take of stags and in effect runs the wilds like a big hind farm. During periods like right now with low venison returns, hunters rush off to trophy producing areas in the hope of beating the choppers and bagging a trophy. During periods of high venison returns, there is no point in going to those areas as the stags have been shot in velvet.
In the summer the stags and hinds occupy separate habitats and it is easy for a machine to target stags by flying the stag areas. Stags are worth more not just because of greater carcass weight but also because of by-products - pizzle, sinew, velvet
The outcome that I would like could be easily attained by putting annual area take limits on Waro - for example remove 200 hinds and no stags for Ashburton North

Originally Posted by gimp

Really need to define what sort of outcome(s) you want to achieve first

The outcome I would like to see is as follows:
A balanced age group population of deer with a good proportion of trophy quality and aged stags in those few areas that can produce them.
The current situation is that during periods of high feral venison prices the Waro operators go silly and cash in shooting every deer they can find. During periods of normal pricing they still do annual fly throughs targeting stags.
This results in the deer population becoming unbalanced as Waro creams off an annual take of stags and in effect runs the wilds like a big hind farm. During periods like right now with low venison returns, hunters rush off to trophy producing areas in the hope of beating the choppers and bagging a trophy. During periods of high venison returns, there is no point in going to those areas as the stags have been shot in velvet.
In the summer the stags and hinds occupy separate habitats and it is easy for a machine to target stags by flying the stag areas. Stags are worth more not just because of greater carcass weight but also because of by-products - pizzle, sinew, velvet
The outcome that I would like could be easily attained by putting annual area take limits on Waro - for example remove 200 hinds and no stags for Mount Hutt / Nth Ashburton

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

The outcome I would like to see is as follows:
A balanced age group population of deer with a good proportion of trophy quality and aged stags in those few areas that can produce them.
The current situation is that during periods of high feral venison prices the Waro operators go silly and cash in shooting every deer they can find. During periods of normal pricing they still do annual fly throughs targeting stags.
This results in the deer population becoming unbalanced as Waro creams off an annual take of stags and in effect runs the wilds like a big hind farm. During periods like right now with low venison returns, hunters rush off to trophy producing areas in the hope of beating the choppers and bagging a trophy. During periods of high venison returns, there is no point in going to those areas as the stags have been shot in velvet.
In the summer the stags and hinds occupy separate habitats and it is easy for a machine to target stags by flying the stag areas. Stags are worth more not just because of greater carcass weight but also because of by-products - pizzle, sinew, velvet
The outcome that I would like could be easily attained by putting annual area take limits on Waro - for example remove 200 hinds and no stags for Mount Hutt / Nth Ashburton

200hinds in there do you reckon???? must be fair way back from the front country.....

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

200hinds in there do you reckon???? must be fair way back from the front country.....

I'd say they probably have more than that although havent in there only takes a couple deer a catchment that wouldn't even cover the deer in a single catchment in some places.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

200hinds in there do you reckon???? must be fair way back from the front country.....

Just using hypothetical numbers to illustrate a point, although in my defence it is a big patch with all the Rakaia facing country included.