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    Quote Originally Posted by Maca49 View Post
    My sons a Doctor, reading the bullshit here on not trusting a doctor, I hope when you really get ill you don't scurry off to some poor Doc that's never met you before and has no history on you for treatment??
    Go to your naturopath, or maybe post on here for advice or just curl up and die!!
    It's not about not trusting a doctor, it's about questioning and pushing for accurate diagnosis and accurate treatment. As for bullshit I almost died because I didn't push/question a doctor once (infected gall bladder, where overseas they remove it - but in NZ they give it a few weeks to see what happens... say hello to gangrene!). Since then I have started questioning doctors when I don't think they are acting appropriately (example our 3rd kid was diagnosed with severe G6PD deficiency , doctor had no inclination to test the other 2 until I asked for it).

    As you get older you realize people of all trades are not perfect, and you need to take some responsibility for your health.

    Or maybe your son is absolutely perfect and makes no mistakes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by outdoorlad View Post
    Someone ring Dr House & that hot sidekick chick, they will sort it.
    Yes, they'll go and break into the family's house and look through the kitchen herbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vulcannz View Post
    It's not about not trusting a doctor, it's about questioning and pushing for accurate diagnosis and accurate treatment. As for bullshit I almost died because I didn't push/question a doctor once (infected gall bladder, where overseas they remove it - but in NZ they give it a few weeks to see what happens... say hello to gangrene!). Since then I have started questioning doctors when I don't think they are acting appropriately (example our 3rd kid was diagnosed with severe G6PD deficiency , doctor had no inclination to test the other 2 until I asked for it).

    As you get older you realize people of all trades are not perfect, and you need to take some responsibility for your health.

    Or maybe your son is absolutely perfect and makes no mistakes?
    @Maca49 and @vulcannz

    Well, according to the impression gained by @berg243 from his knowledgeable (doctor) sister, doctors are total retards because they occasionally write "L" when they were meant to write "R".
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    Quote Originally Posted by vulcannz View Post
    It's not about not trusting a doctor, it's about questioning and pushing for accurate diagnosis and accurate treatment. As for bullshit I almost died because I didn't push/question a doctor once (infected gall bladder, where overseas they remove it - but in NZ they give it a few weeks to see what happens... say hello to gangrene!). Since then I have started questioning doctors when I don't think they are acting appropriately (example our 3rd kid was diagnosed with severe G6PD deficiency , doctor had no inclination to test the other 2 until I asked for it).

    As you get older you realize people of all trades are not perfect, and you need to take some responsibility for your health.

    Or maybe your son is absolutely perfect and makes no mistakes?
    I guess being around doctors you appreciate how caring they are and what they need to learn on an ongoing basis, so I think you need a good relationship with your doctor and don't be scared to ask for a second opinion. A good doctor should ask his fellow practitioners for that if he's unsure. Much like you I had a bad experience with a doctor which was life threatening. I took the opportunity to find another and for the passed 20 years, yep I'm getting older, Ive enjoyed excellent health care with a great doctor. Not trusting them, ask my sister in law today as she starts a battle with cancer, once again a good doctor and the healthcare system will see her through!
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    It is a fair idea to question doctors. Asking questions does not mean that you think they are wrong. It is smart to question them. When the doctor has the correct diagnosis, the answers you will get will give you more information about what is happening to your body and what to expect, what to look out for and when you should return if something that is unexpected occurs. And if the questions raise information that affects the accuracy of the diagnosis, such as unnoticed symptoms or symptoms the patient has dismissed as "normal" the Doctor is then able to gather more information.

    Doctors can get it wrong sometimes. I would point out that some of this is because the patient may have left out vital clues for diagnosis as they were unaware of the importance of a minor symptom or may not have realised something was a symptom. And occasionally Doctors prove they were human too. At the end of the day, questions about what is happening will not harm a correct diagnosis and will provide you with confirmation and information, and these same qustions can clarify why the doctor is suspecting that diagnosis, and may be ale to verify or correct any diagnosis they have.

    It is your health, and you should want to know as much about it as you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maca49 View Post
    My sons a Doctor, reading the bullshit here on not trusting a doctor, I hope when you really get ill you don't scurry off to some poor Doc that's never met you before and has no history on you for treatment??
    Go to your naturopath, or maybe post on here for advice or just curl up and die!!
    It is not about all doctors being bad. It is about pushing a lot of them for proper diagnosis. I am missing a brother-in-law because of one, and I live in pretty constant pain and don't know if I'll be able to stand up each morning because of others. It is like any profession/trade.

    Like anything, if it doesn't fit your gut feeling and what you know vote with your feet and go elsewhere. In this instance there is a group of doctors that are ignoring the warnings of another group of doctors and experts and other reasonably informed and logical people.
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    There is a big difference between sensibly seeking a second opinion from professionals or pushing your Dr for more information to what has been the main topic of this thread.

    This thread seems to have been about second guessing with a paucity of information and no or little medical expertise, and building conspiracies out of nothing. There is an element of wishful thinking too...that the illness was somehow linked to poison residue.

    In my work I hear peoples delusions and alternative truths all day long. Some of these threads are like ground hog day to me.

    But please don't tell me to simply not read them if I don't like them. There would be no fun in that.

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    i am not saying all doctors are bad but you need all the evidence and confirmed tests for a diagnosis but there are enough that make mistakes or incorrect diagnosis to question things.had a friend who was operated on years ago on his back by a doctor who was under the influence of alcohol at the time for the rest of his life he was on morphine tablets and other heavy pain meds.and yes my sister is very well trained in what she does more intensive training than a doctor in that field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahr View Post
    There is a big difference between sensibly seeking a second opinion from professionals or pushing your Dr for more information to what has been the main topic of this thread.

    This thread seems to have been about second guessing with a paucity of information and no or little medical expertise, and building conspiracies out of nothing. There is an element of wishful thinking too...that the illness was somehow linked to poison residue.
    I am a professional in my field (IT) and a lot of my work involves troubleshooting.

    So from that point of view two things stood out too me:
    - the doctors are not seeking tests outside of botulism
    - the tests are taking up to a month

    Sure some people are talking up the 1080 aspect and that is tin foil hat stuff. But lets get away from the hunting conspiracies, what if this was a case of poisoning where the husband found out his missus was cheating and dumped a sachet full of rat poison in their food in a murder/suicide setup? It's not unheard of in that ethnic group for such radical actions. It just seems very narrow minded to follow one potential answer.

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    Oh Christ, I willed myself not to read this bullshit...but couldn't resist reading all 9 pages from start to finish. I feel dumber for having done so, and I'm pretty sure I've lowered my IQ a few points now by association.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vulcannz View Post
    I am a professional in my field (IT) and a lot of my work involves troubleshooting.

    So from that point of view two things stood out too me:
    - the doctors are not seeking tests outside of botulism
    - the tests are taking up to a month

    Sure some people are talking up the 1080 aspect and that is tin foil hat stuff. But lets get away from the hunting conspiracies, what if this was a case of poisoning where the husband found out his missus was cheating and dumped a sachet full of rat poison in their food in a murder/suicide setup? It's not unheard of in that ethnic group for such radical actions. It just seems very narrow minded to follow one potential answer.
    I give the health services and the Police a lot of credit for problem solving and getting to the bottom of things. I'm sure that both are looking at this from every aspect and using all of the information that they have to hand.

    It's most likely a flawed assumption to think that either is on a single track, just as its probably a flawed assumption to think that all of the information available is in the public's hands.

    The assumption that certain scenarios are likely because that is what a particular "ethnic group" do is too far out there for me...but you might want to ring the Police and suggest it to them. They might not have thought of that.

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    Discussion in a forum is very much an exercise in brainstorming - resulting in good and bad ideas, and in criticisms of both. Nothing wrong with that.

    It is a most curious case and the apparent time window for the couple going down with poisoning does not fit with clostridium botulinum toxin ingestion, nor does their loss of consciousness.

    It carries little weight to cite that the treating team have the whole picture when the evidence that is available appears to exclude botulism. Not reassuring for hunters.
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    yup macca i llikes ya style .same happened with me recently where my locum GP being a very honest prick said he was not trained in the arts of psych medicine so was not qualified to comment on my mental state and fitness to go back to work.line management in accordance with ACC protocols argued that he should until i found a very devious back door way round it.He became quite distressed so i told himand one of the "managers"that i admired his bloody honesty and id have him on my team anytime.
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    Yep they ain’t god, but don’t knock em, they’re the first buggers you go to when your I’ll. Better they know you before you get sick instead of after!
    Had my Doc for 20 plus years, he’s changed my health so I don’t relay on daily doses of bad stuff, he’s been brutal when I’ve had a few scares and he’s the only one that I let check all my orifices!
    Get to know your Doc! That’s my advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maca49 View Post
    Yep they ain’t god, but don’t knock em, they’re the first buggers you go to when your I’ll. Better they know you before you get sick instead of after!
    Had my Doc for 20 plus years, he’s changed my health so I don’t relay on daily doses of bad stuff, he’s been brutal when I’ve had a few scares and he’s the only one that I let check all my orifices!
    Get to know your Doc! That’s my advice.
    Thanks @Maca49. That's profound. Yes, please know me as me, not as my illness.
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