Please check out the article in Stuff.
This is incurable and is affecting deer moose and wapiti. It may be transmitted to humans. The implications for NZ Deer industry and hunting are serious IMO.
Please check out the article in Stuff.
This is incurable and is affecting deer moose and wapiti. It may be transmitted to humans. The implications for NZ Deer industry and hunting are serious IMO.
CWD?
Dont know. Be good if somebody could copy and paste the link on here.
They are saying it is a wasting disease but involves the brain.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas...hits-us-canada
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Hasn’t been in NZ yet as far as I’ve heard.
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They started researching if it could possibly infect humans in 2002 so its been around a while. Sounds like the answer is "maybe".
HHS to study whether chronic wasting disease threatens humans | CIDRAP
The biggest worry for us would be some extremist greenie bringing it in to NZ to reduce wild deer populations. Farmers were able to sneak in RHD for rabbits in the '90's so that type of thing is do-able.
Note that I think it would be extremely unlikely of course.
I am quite sure that Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, must see this as one enormous great big increased funding opportunity. Quick! Man the phones! Make a fuss to ignorant journalists!
Until a case of CWD is confirmed in the human population, why worry? Its a problem for the hunters for sure, more because its hard enough to get a tag in some places, you don't want to find the local deer all munted and dribbling, asking to be shot.
The closest parallel available in terms of prion disease transmission to humans is mad cow disease (BSE). Every time it is mentioned, the report usually neglects to specify that the death rate from Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (the human form of BSE) is one per million of population, and of that the actual number that acquired as a disease from cattle tissue is very low indeed, about 1-2%. Most people just get it for no apparent reason (85%), or it can be hereditary (10-15%). And those numbers come from eating beef which is somewhat more common in the US and Europe then eating venison.
So work out the risk from catching mad cow disease - 1-2% of one in a million....
I'll take my chances.
These alarmist reports don't do anyone any good, welcome to the world of fake news and conspiracy theories.
Don't get me wrong I am disappointed to hear this because it's not good for that deer resource, obviously. And also when reading these reports if you see a reference to CWD in the UK, please remember that it is probably referring to Chinese water deer... an unfortunate coincidence of acronyms.
It's Chronic Wasting Disorder aka CWD. Been in the States for decades. None in NZ, and risk of new infection should be low, should MPI do their jobs at the border. It could come in on soles of boots I imagine? As supposedly the disease can sit in soil. No evidence to suggest CWD can be transmitted to humans, that said, none to suggest it can't.
I personally know people in Canada who have had to shut down their entire deer farm, slaughter a few thousand breeding hinds all because one old carcass was found and tested inconclusive to CWD. First and only case of it in their area so it's on lock down. Basically the farm gets shut down, and sterilized, and will probably never be a deer farm again. No hunting permitted within 30 miles of the boundary either. Huge costs, financially and socially and huge stress for them.
The cynical side of me makes me raise my eyebrows to these type of reports, suggesting its the new end of the world, when in fact it's been around for ages. Especially with the loud and proud anti farming and anti hunting population. Anything to control how we put meat protein on our table is a win for them.
Ahh just seen some news, apparently it has been causing the deer to bite one another and that is now the infection is spreading. Earlier today a hunter came in with a bite from one of the infected beasts and he is already showing some symptoms
Hornady need to restart production of the Zombie max projectiles, or we are all doomed! :O_O:
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And then @rossi.45 and myself are trying to contain the zombie rabbit out break here in central ......it's not easy but we are trying to keep you guys safe.......Attachment 105397 don't fucken mention it:thumbsup:
Apparently they have sent out a few culling teams. They are reporting that lung shots are not dropping them. Head shots seem to be working though
Ive seen your waist, you been checked out? I wont comment on the brain!:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody
They found it over here in a Reindyr heard on Hardangervidda.
They shot the entire 2000 Animals that had been migrating over that area for thousands of years,found 6 infected Animals but allowed the farmers to continue grazing 6000 fucking sheep!
Mental.
https://www.nationen.no/nyhet/nedsla...fjella-i-gang/
I wonder if its been a part of those herds for a very long time?
Woody, 1080 will fix it. :)
Probably caused it? The dying looks just as painful!!
Well; whatever it is; I hope it never gets into NZ. I really dont think its a laughing matter.
It's possible, we never had Didymo and they think that came in on felt soled wading boots from an oversea's angler.
With all the oversea's trophy hunters coming in to shoot it's could happen with this shit.
I see there's another fruit fly outbreak.
My understanding of it is that it is spinal cord areas with the highest concentrations and direct contact that is the main contributing spreading factor. I think we should be relatively safe here given our geographic and bio-security measures.Quote:
Originally Posted by viper
yeah gotta agree with berg243, can't stop fruit flys , spiders , the odd snake, rock snot or farmers bringing in a virus..........this shit could get here.
Saw an update on this from Fox news this morning. Transport of deer and deer products across 16 State borders now restricted. Apparently deer or parts of deer infect soil for very long periods. They again suggest it may be transmitted to humans. There aremajor concerns about impacts on the hunting industry of hundreds of million of dollars.
Just be aware chaps and chapesses.
If that fails i hear the labotomizer entrenching tool works well on any zombie (WWZ joke there)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sako851
Yeah. Ww1 trench warfare our guys started to prefer using spades as close combat weapons actually. Must have been horrible.
CWD is a prion disease. A Prion is a piece of viral DNA that can infect a virus and cause it to replicate the Prion. The problems with this are that it is not possible to vaccinate against it and a prion can survive in the environment for a long time undetected
and still be infectious.
Soil from a country with CWD Prions can come here on boots (Hiker or Hunter) , a prion falls off the boot onto NZ soil. The Prion is then taken up by a plant palatable to deer. A deer eats that plant and we have CWD
BSE was another Prion disease (Kuru or Creitzveld Jacob (spelling?)). It jumped species from Humans to cattle and was spread via infected tissue in feed (meat-meal) and through infected animals giving birth to infected young. The common source was always quoted as Scrapie from sheep, however if this were the case then there would have been outbreaks of scrapie in sheep fed with the same concentrate feeds containing meat-meal that infected cattle.
I digress, LSS if it gets here buy shares in coal mines. Don't know what the MPI border protection position is regarding footwear in luggage from infected countries.
CWD originated from a deer research program / station that I think was run Montana from memory. Animals were fed feeds containing meat-meal and a little prion decided to cause a new disease
I have reported it to MPI. I hope they go on alert.
So if you wanted to bring a trophy back or skin how would they go about decontamination of these items?
Just finished washing all my items that are coming with me tomorrow :)
Not sure; perhaps with radiation, but best you can do is declare where youve been. I used to akways go via the agricultural security. The checks are good and throughput much quicker than regular queues.
Year I always walk through there and declare.
Just interested if anyone new the procedure for bring back trophies like heads and skins.
I know when I brought back a Massi Knife which has a skin sheath they gamma irradiation to treat that and a few masks from the Congo.
They seemed happy with that. I was also relieved as I didn’t want to bring something into the country that could be a health, environmental or economic risk.
Just wondering if it was the same for trophies that’s all.
We at present in the UK must be careful when coming back from hunting boar in France as they have African swine fever. So it wash all boots and clothes that come in contact with boar.
I would say we are quite safe until sheep and goats become infected. From there it is a probability that the disease will be transmitted to humans predominantly in areas such as the Florida Everglades, Hobart, West Coast etc
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ScrapieQuote:
Originally Posted by sako75
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3s6p2UP57Q
heres a discussion about cwd
Just read of another state alert. Amongst the report it said the disease can survive in soil for 16 / sixteen years.
After reading that,,mmmm no wonder the brain cells are a tad depleted,far to much veni.:sick:
I’ve not read the above articles yet but saw that they have just found that it is a bacteria that causes CWD which is quite a brake through.
Long story short the guy who has discovered this plans to develop a vaccine in the first year he plans to develop a hunter test kit so hunters can test for the infection in the field. Second year injectable vaccine to stop the collapse of deer farming and by the third year have this turned into an oral nasal vaccine that can then be added to salt licks etc for wild deer. Considering that the incubation period is 12 to 18 months this is very good news!
This is a worry, seems like it could possibly be spread by soil on footwear or similar - and there is quite a few hunters that hunt both NZ and USA. Like Didymo.
but worse, I can see some bright spark in Twigs and Tweets thinking this is a great idea to bring in...
What's happening in my state of Pennsylvania. This video is from February and is a press conference on the state of CWD.
At around the 6:00 mark one guy explains that one bacterium is causing this in deer and other animals and is also present in humans, not only as CJD, but also as misdiagnosed Alzheimers and other neurological diseases.
https://youtu.be/gdtFXriMx00
