Just watched the Kaweka episode , man that was epic some great footage ,Willy and his mate with the 303 is more like the luck I've had hunting Sika
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Just watched the Kaweka episode , man that was epic some great footage ,Willy and his mate with the 303 is more like the luck I've had hunting Sika
Great show on sika. Had to laugh as I hunted with a guy in 1968 whose .303 would put every bullet sideways at 50yards. No need for them expensive soft nosed things, army solids worked just as well in the bush.
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Spitfire - guess this is the one?
Yeah , that was good. Apparently his father used to send him and his brother over to his grandad in the Czech republic when he came home from boarding school for summer and his grandfather let them hunt and fish as much as they wanted .Quote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
The guy behind that video took his own life last year, he had CTE from playing football . I think he founded Kuiu , damn shame he seemed like a top bloke.
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Originally Posted by paremata
Jason Hairston founder of Sitka gear sold it to gore-tex then founded Kuiu, forget his political alliance he revolutionized modern hunting clothing, sad story one in a rash of ex-footballers commiting suicide from brain injuries leading to the mandated new helmut last season.
What's wrong with his political alliance? Only asking if you're insinuating there is something wrong with it? I have met heaps of not just American outdoorsman the past few years. They are all on the same page as him from what I have observed.
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No insinuation meant good or bad, I'm used to anti Trump sentiment back home so I thru it in I guess anytime you hunt with the presidents son things can get politicized so as not to take away from anything Jason Hairston had done in his life which obviously was a lot more then taking out Donald jr on a sheep hunt.
No worries.. I am a huge trump supporter and don't care who it bothers. The guy has fixed a lot of things in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by moosemeat
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Seen a post on bookface about the latest episode which happened to be in my backyard blaming waro for lack of deer where they went.
So I watched the episode. Enjoyed it again. However local knowledge and having a finger on the pulse would have helped a bit. Waro or poison wasnt the reason they seen no mature stags. But an enjoyable episode all the same.[emoji106]
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They certainly put in the hard yards and covered a huge area in that episode. Heaps of tahr, f..k all deer. @R93 Can you fill us non locals in as to why? The Duleys seemed to think they should have seen some decent stags ? The only things they sighted were spiders and young stag or two. Certainly fits with the waro theory ?
No doubt they covered some country. They always do. They're good at it. However it was partly their issue imo. Local knowledge is how I make a living so sharing it wouldnt be prudent in a personal business sense.[emoji1787]Quote:
Originally Posted by chainsaw
It is fair to say I know their pain and frustration. It's why I know what I know, especially in that country. I dont think they did anything wrong other than blame waro and not have a plan B
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The sure did cover some ground.
Our comments came direct from Ken Hutchins, Jamie Scott's helicopter pilot who picked us up on the banks of the Lambert River. We told him all the sign was about a month old through Speculation and Hot Springs Creek etc, and he said that's because the local Waro operator had been spelling it for while, then hit it hard in February taking out 40 odd stags I think was the number he said from memory. And we have no reason to doubt Ken as he is a good bugger and it certainly matched what we saw. The other guys who were hunting the Wanganui catchment last roar all found the same issue was what they told us. But certainly not claiming to be experts on the Wanganui as only hunted through there twice.
Cheers,
Greg
There is not many deer in Speculation/Hot springs at the best of times Greg. It's like the Cropp or Prices basin in the Whitcombe - great back in the day but once they were shot out it's very hard for them to establish in those areas again. Even with breaks in WARO it takes longer for those sorts of exposed areas to get animals back in them. Don't bank of catching out huge stags in the wide open tussock basins like the old days. You need a different plan and tactic hunting the West Coast than the Sumner RHA. So I guess in a way saying it's WARO's fault isn't untrue but it's also not going away any time soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by GregD
Ha Ha Ken is one of the best waro operators on the coast. Hes up and down there a fair bit so I wouldnt doubt anything he said. So is James. However if it was 2019 when yous went, there was plenty of action for rec hunters in the valley. A bit earlier and some later to be fair. And a couple of reasonable stags taken.
40 stags out of the country you covered isint a stretch but unlikely. Maybe the whole valley.
I have hunted it when I was shooting and flying and based not far away. You can hunt it pretty fast. Just a small part of a larger run that as you know, takes days on foot.
More of a timing and altitude issue for you guys in that instance along with how the deer move about in there and same goes for a lot of alpine areas on the coast due to other reasons besides waro pressure. Has a lot to do with weather months before and up to the roar.
Respect what you guys do. And not criticising anyones ability or decisions. But I doubt I would bother hunting that country in the rut.
That's part of what I mean by local knowledge
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Just watched it too. Many thanks to the Duley's for a great program, and yes for those who hunted that sort of country a lot during the 80's (not that I ever ventured into those particular valley's) a fairly familiar story. Yes there will be deer there but the tactics to connect up are not "tops hunting".
Spoken as an avid tops hunter, can hardly get out of my own way in the bush - just depends how you were bought up and what you are prepared to learn. My thoughts - the best skill you can learn = persistence!
We expected low numbers, as we do with any trips into areas that get regular Waro, and we do plenty. But the sign is still there if the deer are there, even if what deer are left are largely nocturnal. And there was sign there, but it was all about a month old which makes sense with what Ken said. We've got a couple of good West Coast mates, Derek Johnson and Big Nige, and they have seen and taken photos of some nice stags in those basins in recent years, which is what we were looking for. Yes, there was still some sign down round the flats of the main river in the bush, but that doesn't make a very scenic episode for TV! By spelling the tops over the summer to encourage the deer and particularly the stags out, then hitting them hard, Waro can have a very significant effect.
I have to say the camera man is a beast. If I carried that gear especially on front like he does I wouldnt have got over the section prior to hot springs without a tumble or worse. My bino harness is bad enough.
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Yeah I know who hits it. And can tell you they (deer) have had a spell lately and will likely get a longer one.
I cant imagine filming in the country you guys do let alone the west coast sub alpine bush so yeah it wouldnt make for good viewing.
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I’d say Waro is stuffed for a few years, the stags have got a pass this roar with the lockdown so things are looking up for the serious Alpine Hunter in the short term.
@GregD What an huge walk, my knees got sore just watching it :thumbsup: great so see that country, and I don’t mind an episode when it doesn’t work out because that’s the way hunting is sometimes.
Would be interesting if rec hunters have shot a descent stag in there the last 2 years or so? Usually see or hear something? So with social media and the WARO comments - appears maybe not much about head wise recently?
I didn't hear of anything great. There was a different operator doing WARO the last couple years and he had seemed to have a scorched earth fly all day for one deer approach. The decline in deer numbers on the tops was significant. The Wanganui got hit particularly hard due to being close home for that fella.
The deer will be back but operators like him do worse damage than the others who've been in it for the long run.
Watched it last night, the guy that shot the moose cracked of the two shots unbelievably quickly - especially for a bolt action.
But man those moose are whoppers!
Thanks @GregD and company
Great to hear the real story of African Trophy Hunting as a conservation and rural community welfare tool being told.
Media would have you believe that it is hunting decimating Africa’s wildlife but in fact it is population growth and habitat destruction.
Trophy hunting is a tool to allocate land and resources to conservation area, without Africa’s animals are stuffed.
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You wait as long as they do or pay as much as some guys do on guided hunts and you shoot until its not standing. There are many frantic shoot the thing again while guiding. The shot paid off but thought it wasn't a great angle but that could easily be the camera angle and I don't know what cartridge and projectile he was running.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finnwolf
Fantastic episode last night. Loved the the chat from the Professional Hunter in Zimbabwe. I found it very interesting and an aspect you would not see from western media.
Woow some buitifull big hunting areas in yr show last night.The size of that moose was amazing.
Thanks for showing.
Great episode. Emils old man is crack up. The quality of animals in that Poland hunt was awesome. The management plan, environment and then general education and ethics of the hunters really does show the possibilities when things are done well. Nothing like beautiful big red stags to get this kiwi hunter excited!
I hope so but it takes a long time to replace the most mature animals. It'd be interesting to see what 6 years without waro would do. Might not be as good as we would expect with animal numbers booming and straining the available feed.Quote:
Originally Posted by outdoorlad
Poland, Africa, and Moose! My evening is sorted, hurray for On-demand!
I didn't rewatch but I though it went it the rear back steak into the chest cavity causing the collapse from spinal damage then the second was his mate I thought but hard to tell. Regardless it went down quick. I watched one suck up 4 rounds of 300 Weatherby like nothing happened. Was dead from the first but it stood there and looked around. It was a meat hunter so they didn't want to damage meat so where shooting perfectly broadside through the crease with partitions. The lungs and top of the heart was shredded. They are tough for sure but they die fine think they just have a lot of blood in them to drain before they conc it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
Just finished watching it.
I have never been interested in any African game except maybe a big Kudu.
Will definitely add Africa to my bucket list after that. Just for the scenery alone would be enough.
Really enjoyed the talk by the PH. regarding trophy hunting.
Poland eh. Some nice looking stags there for sure. Shows what good if somewhat strict management can achieve.
I could relate to the moose hunt. Just about every hunt is last minute after almost giving up. Some of the calling was a bit different to how I was taught.
Thought the fella who guided in BC saying you get 300lbs of meat off a moose was off by nearly half. Unless he was talking about moose in Alberta in particular. They're big boned but average over 1300lbs as a mature bull in northern BC.
You should yeild 53% weight of meat off a deer or moose.
Fastest and most accurate 2nd shot I have seen with a crank gun.[emoji1787] If it was a Kiwi shooting it may have been head or neck shot. [emoji16]
Moose in pic from a couple yrs ago is still the biggest bodied one I have encountered. Just a beast of an animal. Client in pick isint a small man either.
His track was longer than my size 10 Lowa boot. I have cut up half a dozen bulls with a bit of help from the client holding things. This fella took 2 of us to hold a leg up while the 3rd worked the knife.
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Aye, sure looked like a Texas heart shot to me. And that 2nd shot was so fast it had to be some one else backing up the shooter?Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
And one or both must have hit the CNS to drop it like it did.
That's a ripper Moose Sure is a big boy. Weighing out quarters last season the biggest moose went 205lbs on one of the rears and 200 on the other. The both in the 190s in the front. When you can have 5 to 10 pounds difference in weight and you can't really see it you know they are big critters. The neck on them is like a hole other quarter. I'd say the weight is what they get back from the butcher. We let the butcher know we had weighed quarters when we would drop them off as my outfitter has had issues with it coming back very short. @R93 how did you find moose? It's shocked me how good it was especially from rutting bulls.Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
Last outfit I worked for we only weighed some of them for the same reasons you mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stocky
Unfortunately didn't weigh that big boy as it went home with the client. This last season was made harder as we had to take neck meat and ribs. Just offal, shot damaged meat and spine left for the preds and crows.
I agree. Surprising how good eating they are, especially considering they're rutting bulls.
I enjoy all the game meat I have tried but if had to live on only one, it would be moose. Especially the liver. Yum.
I have had some chewy stuff but flavour has been really good.
Makes you wonder what a younger animal would go like.
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Southern Canadian moose weigh pretty well also. I shot a meat bull in New Foundland that weighed about 165 lbs for each the hindquarter and a bit lighter for each forequarter.
Boned and packaged up it was a little over 500 lbs. along with a couple of whitetail I shot earlier in the season we bought very little red meat that year! I reckon I lost weight on it as it was so lean.
We actually weigh them to balance out the horses before longer trips. We just subtly mentioned we had weighed them.Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
I'd agree if I could only have one moose rates pretty highly. Before I tried it I figured that fallow sika is good red not quite as good, sambar is tasty but chewy. That by the time you get to moose size itd be pretty chewy and gamey but not so. Very mild and tasty.
We also had to take the ribs etc. For alot we just took the meat from between to make burger as the high velocity 30 calibres where making alot of blood meat in the ribs under the shoulder. But did a few racks over the fire that weren't to bad.
@Dicko those whitetail don't eat bad either.
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Puts you in good habits. This was the first animal I took after leaving the territory. Not much left in the end. Would like to try that with a red where some of us hunt here though.
Yeah getting the panyards balanced was important. We always had new crappy pack horses every season and guess who got them.[emoji1787] Was always a Rodeo when they past a nest of bees and I cant tell you how many miles I have done chasing horses and repacking blowups. Doesn't help that I'm not exactly a horse person either.[emoji1787]Quote:
Originally Posted by Stocky
I wish I was in a mood to take a photo of one bad one. Literally had gear from 2 horses spread for a km in a high alpine pass and I was alone. Had my face on that day and if I didnt forget my rifle on my tetherd horse I would have happily shot the 2 I had to catch.[emoji16]
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