Thread: Thar extermination

Yes she bloody well knows she hasn’t consulted properly and wouldn’t have faired to well in court, now we need to make sure there is proper consultation not a quick slap hazard one lime they did with the Waro.

Anyone else notice the distinct lack of outrage from the #vegan #animalrightsforgaywhales #animalstoo crowd? I'd have thought organisations like Safe would be harping on about the welfare of the animals and that they should have the same rights as humans etc. etc. just shows how political and sincere those stupid little activists are.

Originally Posted by indigo1

Anyone else notice the distinct lack of outrage from the #vegan #animalrightsforgaywhales #animalstoo crowd? I'd have thought organisations like Safe would be harping on about the welfare of the animals and that they should have the same rights as humans etc. etc. just shows how political and sincere those stupid little activists are.

I noticed it but it might be a good thing.
If they were jumping up and down about DOC shooting tahr, they would probably jump and down about us hunters doing pretty much exactly the same thing.

24-9-2018 Letter from Hon Eugenie Sage regarding Himalayan tahr.pdf Recieved this from her ladyship

oldboy.....on the face of it that ALMOST reads as being reasonable...and note it says to cull 10,000 NOT cull down to 10,000......interesting difference,it also DOESNT take animals on leasehold or private land into the total figure...again most interesting......

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

oldboy.....on the face of it that ALMOST reads as being reasonable...and note it says to cull 10,000 NOT cull down to 10,000......interesting difference,it also DOESNT take animals on leasehold or private land into the total figure...again most interesting......

Notice she doesn't mention the "additional Figure to be culled " . I think it equated to 7.5k

@GravelBen @JoshC - I couldn't agree more, I hope the Tahr Foundation will apply our donations to just this.

Before it got going I compared the kill figures (nearly 3000 Tahr in 6 flying days) for the June flights DOC posted on their website - its obvious there are likely very large variations in Tahr density. I've OIA'd them to find out the actual flying hours and costs, and will extend my request to find out the area of land added to the Conservation estate within the Tahr range

https://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-ti...ahr-cull-start

I've donated and signed the petition but feel it is only a stop gap measure. I can't lobby my local mp as he was the minister of conservation and supported 1080 and I believe he's passed his use by date. If you read what I earlier posted that was told to me by a non hunter you would think it's totally extreme and really not in any way a good idea. But if you look at the under lying message it has more meaning. It took me a while to work it out but this is my take on what was trying to be said. You can petition , protest , go to court but you will never win. You are fighting a battle where the enemy has set the rules. Doc put a stop to removing bird carcasses as no body no evidence. They openly admit to killing protected species but are never prosecuted. Their scientists agree with what they are doing but independent ones find very different results. In essence the rules and laws were written to protect themselves and give them the right to do what they want without accountability from the general public first and foremost. Just because they have to consult doesn't mean they have to listen or take on board anyone's opinions or concerns. It just draws the process out a little. We are trying to beat them on their ground by their rules and wonder why it doesn't work. We need to to find another way to fight on our terms and remove their home ground advantage. I'm not sure how to do this but we really need a few politicians(one isn't enough) form a major party on our side and some how make them commit very publicly often and loud ( and us to them) so they can't wiggle out when the push comes to shove and they need to step up. Then get the rules changed to a level playing field for the future. Just my 2 cents worth

Yes but this issue I feel is giving us a foot in the door.
We need to lobby National as they have taken up the batten. So nat mp you say you support us?
Ok then if we vote for you what are you going to do when/if you get in power.....how about take our game animals of the pest list!
There wording 20000 of us hunt. You what our votes. Then let's see some election promises and that needs to be number one!
Once you remove that pest word from our big game animals we can start to move forward and manage our resources more effectively.
Till then we're just pawns in the big game.
But if we can remove that word pest... we will have a foot in the door, you will have Mrs Sag to thank for it

True but I'd like to see a more robust form of commitment rather than an election promise as these are often broken and battens dropped. I would like to see a full independent inquiry into doc and it's practices. Like it's removal of huts, wire bridges , 1080.As some of those would be against the health and safety act which doesn't appear to apply to local and central government. Charges for huts and other activity's on our land. I pay tax each week and part of that goes to doc to up keep tracks and huts etc . Then when I want to use said huts I pay again.
Why not increase the price for tourists to fully subsidize our use of them? Bit like going out for dinner ordering your meal and paying for it and then getting charged again when you want to eat it. If doc is in inefficient thats not my problem and like a leaking bucket, water will keep running out the holes no matter how much you put in it until the leaks are fixed. Not saying doc don't do a lot of good but imo they are doing a lot of the opposite as well and this needs to be addressed. Trouble is they are the ones who advice the ministers and governments. Again their rules. You don't see the police let alleged criminals investigate themselves as everyone knows what the out come would be. Until heads roll high up in doc and there's some sort of outside independent review by experts we stay fighting with both arms tied behind our backs

Who every her 2IC is there doing a good job on the spin front.
Let's see how they answer those questions on Tuesday.

I have done my give a little $50 - hope they use it well

A Post from Facebook this morning

Originally Posted by NZ Tahr Foundation

Hunting lobby wins concessions over tahr cull.

This was the Radio NZ headline this morning. The minister seems to have announced the outcome of yesterday’s meeting, stating there will only be 6,000 tahr culled this year, plus up to another 4000 next year if needed. Basically DoC and the minster appear to have accepted the Game Animal Council’s well thought out and whole of hunting sector consulted tahr management plan. It was a very constructive meeting yesterday and common sense appears to have prevailed. Doc in particular were very constructive and appeared to only want a workable and sensible outcome.

We posted up the link to the GAC plan a couple of days ago, but here are the most important points, as agreed upon by all of the hunting sector:

Initial cull before mid-November kid drop of 6000 targeting the hard to get at and highest density areas and leaving the most accessible areas for recreational hunters.

Any remainder to make up the initial 6000 to be taken in April 2019 so as to not early-wean any kids and stunt their growth in that most important first year.

No bulls to be shot anywhere in aerial culls.

WARO to be used where possible to utilise the carcasses.

Maximise the effectiveness of ground hunters by allowing more access and targeting them to where they can be the most effective.

The commercial and recreational hunting sector to take trophy bulls as they do now, and tahr meat recovery of nannies only, and also establish an ethos of taking far more nannies by recreational hunters. This combined approach will for account for another 4000 tahr over the forth coming season.

Re-evaluate after a year and re-target as necessary – using adaptive management principles.

Even though its early days yet and we’ll wait until we’ve seen the proposal in writing, this result shows what we can achieve when the whole hunting sector is totally united under the GAC. While we have the application for the court injunction waiting with our lawyers at the moment in case its needed, hopefully the majority of the donations can now go towards constructively moving forward - gathering robust data and working towards establishing the tahr as herd of special interest under the GAC!

thanks for the update - damn good outcome given what Sage was intending to do. I guess we should keep the cork in the champagne bottle or cap on the rum until we see it in writing.
Creating a robust scientific data based approach is critical for all our game animals. The battle for the Tahr is a win & getting them to HOSI status would be brilliant. But same needs to happen for trophy red stag herds with top genetics, Wapiti, Whitetail, Sika, etc.
So if one proves to be an easy win then the "spare" funds donated need to flow to these other worthy causes.