Thread: Warning Distressing and Disturbing Photographs- 1080 Poison

Originally Posted by Tahr

That is the thing.

Most, and maybe all, pro 1080 people like myself have backed well off "dropping of a deadly poison all over their country" and have landed in a more balanced place where they are ok with broad acre 1080 use for the most difficult terrain when it is well justified, and single use ground application when it is well justified.

And they acknowledge that there are many other methodologies that work. That has always been my view, and I think that it is the view of most in the middle ground, and I think the sensible one.

I would agree but since the 1950s and no change? Just keep dumping it doesn't make sense, especially what's happening in Auck at present. Id be really pissed if that happened here, My logic is different to yours, Id like DOC to open up about their operations and drop the cloak and dagger its sinister.

Originally Posted by Maca49

I would agree but since the 1950s and no change? Just keep dumping it doesn't make sense, especially what's happening in Auck at present. Id be really pissed if that happened here, My logic is different to yours, Id like DOC to open up about their operations and drop the cloak and dagger its sinister.

Agreed man. Greater transparency from doc would be a boon to all involved in the conversation

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Originally Posted by Nick-D

Agreed man. Greater transparency from doc would be a boon to all involved in the conversation

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What is it 1080 related that you actually want to know that DOC won't or don't tell you, or that you can't find out through an OIA request?

Originally Posted by Tahr

What is it 1080 related that you actually want to know that DOC won't or don't tell you, or that you can't find out through an OIA request?

I don't really have much I need personally

I feel that easier access and reference to entire studies, and the science driving each decision would be a boon to doc and clear up much of the trust issues people seem to have with them.

Most people aren't going to go through the trouble of making an OIA request, especially if they are allready heading into the argument with a heavy conformation bias. The information needs to be readily accessible, well presented and easy to find.

To be honest though many people will still probably ignore it in favour of a YouTube video from someone who has no idea anyway. But at least the information will be there and available

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Originally Posted by Nick-D

Agreed man. Greater transparency from doc would be a boon to all involved in the conversation

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And would help settle the argument, I don't see, if its all good, why they fight the protesters why they need the security, why they do things in secrecy, why they react so badly, why, when you talk to some employees they are apologetic?? Just open up, unless they cannot?

Originally Posted by Maca49

I would agree but since the 1950s and no change? Just keep dumping it doesn't make sense, especially what's happening in Auck at present. Id be really pissed if that happened here, My logic is different to yours, Id like DOC to open up about their operations and drop the cloak and dagger its sinister.

I think the initial use in the 50's was more for rabbit control wasn't it? And if I remember correctly it did do a good job of that and the problem has generally been kept in check since then.

I can see that in plague situations it is very effective and is a good tool. I'm not so convinced of it's wide spread application at other times though. I've not seen the cost/benefit analysis done of by-kill of protected species and their recovery rates compared to the target species kill and recovery rates. There does appear to be differences in outcome in various locations with different infestation levels and bait repellent use. Things would be a lot better with greater transparency so that these things can be checked.

Now off to pull splinters from my arse, ... from sitting on the fence so much.