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dont sell yourself short kyle i have conversed with you and found you very cultured .....and dont even question the cuisine .but then i guess im just a panelbeater and you used to be but had the sense to leave the tradeQuote:
Originally Posted by sometimes1
I've got a few reliable deer spots, but I'm just an uncultured oik, so I'd be too awestruck to deign to converse with you, so I'll just keep them to myself. Just off out to the garage and chill out by looking in my big chest freezer and figure out how to fit the next one in. Be hard work dragging my knuckles on the way, but I'll manage, us oiks have a higher pain threshold than the upper classes.....Quote:
Originally Posted by GoatHead
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Originally Posted by Dyls
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Originally Posted by sometimes1
Yeah ok...enough of the cynical sarcasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by 257weatherby
For some reason, a lot of you guys hit low number/first-time posters pretty hard.
No wonder this forum has only about 30 active members...many others get scared away.
When they post up dumbarse crap they deserve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermitage
Some people read the post.... Its always the way, on any hunting/spearing forum, you ask for GENERAL areas that are best for your location and you get people acting pissy like you asking for their mums secret sauce.Quote:
Originally Posted by JessicaChen
But yes Jess that is exactly all Im asking for, and thank you to those that answered it.
I also really like the idea of these meat hunts, not something Ive had to resort to before but that will take the pressure of when I want to hunt for fun if the family is fed. They getting a bit sick of fish ;-p.
One form of hunting, more from a sporting perspective, Id like to get into is deer hunting in the push with indicator/pointing dog. The Mrs has OKd me building a Kennel so I can detach the pup from the house until old enough. Just not sure what breed yet. Ive read the NZ pointer dogs, which I presume is a mix breed, are less high maintenance to something like a German pointer. Either way I think dogs need exercise daily anyway. Id like to hunt scopeless and Im wondering if a 22 or 223 is suitable given the very close up hunting Im intending to do. It would also make a good gun for plinking bunnies.
Yep all good with Goat, I make a mean curry with it.
Not sure if there is any public land with rabbits, given they tend to like open pasture fields. So not sure who to approach to get some bun fun happening.
As for Cultured sorts, bit salty there, the sarcasm was lost, my apologies.
What I meant in honesty is more around how to find good sorts, ie people with morals that arent going to swiipe your new GPS you just spent ages saving for. I guess its just a case of joining a club and word of mouth who is a good sort to go hunting with?
Sounds like I was on the right track for good spots, especially using dogs. But will definitely look into these meat hunts.
I was planning on a 308 150 or maybe even 200 grain, and a 222 50 grain set of rifles, although if I end up getting enough meat hunting in the bush, the 223 might be good enough for both. Im not sure on optics or not though, I think bush bashing clearly no optics a gun stays true, but it might be a good idea to start with a small one?
Are there some good dog threads on here? That might be a good place for me to get started.
That's an incredibly good question. As a land owner with a sporadic deer problem I hate to say I would probably still say 'no' straight away to any unknown person seeking hunting rights. There are so many possible things that could go wrong with unknown shooters on private land, and there are liability issue for landowners that need to be taken seriously, as well as issues over liability if something goes wrong with neighbours.Quote:
Originally Posted by JessicaChen
I have found it is very difficult to guage how reliable someone might be untill I see them handling firearms. People who appear highly credible might be incredibly negligent with firearms, and I know some rough looking buggers most people would not trust to look after their spare change who are the most sensible, safe and reliable people around. In my case I don't let anyone shoot here without observing them shooting first.
You're probably on the right track seeking hunting farmland through a mutual friend.
Its ok man, people just read titles and jump to conclusions, it happens on every forum. You get people who wanna help and you get people on forums who want to point out how dumb other people are or correct other peoples honest mistakes and thats all they will ever contribute to a forum. But thanks. Ive read between the replies and gotten some genuine help. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermitage
Join your local deer stalkers association. Get up the front smartly and introduce yourself and tell what you want to the meeting. Build relationships with people who can make their assessment via eyeball Mk1. Earn it.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoatHead
Nobody would blame you either. Im presuming word of mouth is how you get people on yours?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Waimata
I found overseas liability was the main reason people were not so keen, even on well presented people of mutual friends. Im not sure how it runs in NZ, but being a business does a farm have liability for anybody on the property or only if they are working for paid money on the property?
I think you need to become a proficient hunter before you add a dog into the mix. Once you are regularly getting animals then look at training a dog.
Training a Deer dog is a real commitment and they probably will cost you plenty deer before they start getting you Deer (I know mine did :thumbsup:) .
Clements road is a good spot. Very heavily hunted but there are plenty of deer in there and heaps of campsites along the road. Drive down on a Friday night hunt all day Saturday and Sunday morning. Just don't go in April as it will be too busy.
If you can hunt successfully in there you can do it anywhere.
Piropiro Flats is another good base to camp. Good luck and be sure to post a trip report.
As far as rifles go you cant hunt with a 22 in Doc Land. If you want open sights go for a 3030. I would suggest an NZDA Hunts course might be a good way to meet up with likeminded people.
Yes we are technically liable for everyone, even bad buggers trying to steal stuff. There have been some strong conversations here before I've allowed regional council and farm forestry field days, ultimately I am responsible but it's likely if it came to a court case logic would win. We're supposed to point out every possible danger. One field day I deliberately made up a stupid hazard list including things like tripping over snails, meteor strikes and zombie attack just to make a point. I make jokes about tripping over snails but it's less stupid than it sounds, 20 odd years ago a local guy here slipped in the mud one cold wet winter day, fell and hit his head hard enough to lose consciousness and drowned in a very shallow puddle.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoatHead
Hard work around Whangarei. Sometimes hear them, but can't seem them a lot of the time. Bush too dense. Are you talking about DOC land?Quote:
Originally Posted by mimms2
Have you had dogs before?
It's a big commitment (as I found out once I got one). Yes they definitely require daily exercise and attention, a bit like having kids.
Training then up to indicate requires a lot of time in the bush. With my bitch I followed the deer dog blue print for the first 6 months, but to be honest most of it is common sense if you have trained dogs before. Once she hit 8 months I have had her in the bush almost every weekend for the last two years and extended trips of 4-10 days as often as I can get away from work.
I have a Viszla crossed with Heading Dog and she is great at indicating deer, but very high energy and requires a lot of work.
A lot of other people I have met run a Viszla as well but the pure breds can be a bit 'soft' in the bush.
As for scopes, for bush hunting I use a shortened .308 with a 2-7 Leupold on it. Does the job and has done me out to 150m with clean kills with good shot placement. Scope light and compact enough not to get in the way when pushing through real dense bush.
I'm not sure about finding hunting partners to be honest, I tried attending a few local NZDA meetings but it seemed very cliquey to me and I had trouble meeting anyone who I thought was like minded and would be keen to get out and go hunting (could be the club, could be me?). Doesn't seem to have much in the way of club hunts etc going on either. I am going to try my luck at a new branch this year and see how it pans out.
Hey Goat, have you considered irons for the bush, and QD mount scope for distance? I am a firm believer in military-style rear aperture iron sights, in the bush you get great peripheral vision, and as you say the sights stay true with rough treatment. This coming from someone who 2 years back had 12 red deer in a close group watching me as I fired 15 rounds at them at 100m with an E cat rifle that had been bumping around on the back of a farm ute. The optics were so far out I could not hit a close spaced bunch of reds at 100m, despite good accuracy the day before. Pulled that bloody optic off asap.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoatHead
I spent 36 nights under canvas away hunting plus numerous day plus range days last year I have a small team of dogs 2 German wired haired pointers the old boy will be 14 in may and he’s helped me take over 3 thousand goats in our time together plus my little jack Russell who indicates finds and bails goats on command and even at his age he is the best track and find dog I have ever seen on shot and wounded animals so I have done I little bit of hunting and shooting dog handling over the years with no real help I have taught myself along the way so sorry if my post seemed sarcasticQuote:
Originally Posted by Hermitage