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I have a Ruger 10/22 50th Anniversary Blued Hogue rubbery stock. To say its inaccurate is an understatement. Best 5 shot group at 100m 3" on a good day.
So the question is with all the aftermarket stuff you can add, change or upgrade what's the best place to start? I am not looking for Tacticool stuff only what will improve the accuracy (a lot)
I have tried all sorts of ammo so have exhausted that route now it might be hardware time. What's the suggestions guys.
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The first thing would be one of these.
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Then one of these.
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Like gadgetman suggested
Sell it.
Buy the 795 @stretch has and enjoy some accuracy, then buy some beer with the change
Sell it and buy a better one.....
All joking aside, 3 inches at 100m is pretty good for a Ruger at 100m on a 22LR. Or most 22LR for that matter, from what I have seen.
If accuracy is what you are really after, start with either super fast 22LR that are still super sonic at 100m or drop to target or subsonic ammo that is under the speed of sound. When projectiles drop through the sound barrier threshold (Trans sonic) that starts a wobble.
I had one that would be lucky to do 3 inches at 50m on a good day. (A bad day was closer to 6 inches at 25 and these were far more likely) I had a shotgun that had tighter groups than my old Ruger. A barrel change would have helped. And apparently throwing the rifle at the target would have been an improvement. I have seen some very accurate Ruger 10/22s. But when I asked what had been done to them they changed almost everything except the design and the magazines. (New trigger, barrel,new stock and glass bedded, action and scope mounts.) If this is the path you wish to take then I have heard good things about Kidd, and I think there was another custom option here too.
It can be done, but when you add up what changes you need it may be worth looking at the costs and considering a higher grade 22 like an Anshutz, or CZ Krico etc.. Those Marlins will usually well out perform the rugers too.
Another issue will always be the lack of control over the ammunition. It is really difficult and practically impossible to hand load rimfire. You could try something like 22 hornet etc if you don't mind an increase in performance. Especially if going 100m plus.
I like the Ruger design and I have seen accurate ones, but I have never had the joy or pleasure of owning one as accurate as my old JW27 Norinco.
My sugestions are,
Recrown the barrel, $50
Trigger job $80
Stock bedding $150 to $250
in that order
I get constantly, people commenting that after i thread their 10.22's (and recrown whilst i am at it) they shoot far better.
Greg
Look on Nathan foster website, one of his articles about the 10/22 sorted mine.
Agree with above about accuracy. I'm getting 0.5 - 1.0 inch groups with my CZ 452 at 50 metres and think that is as good as it's going to get. I've upgraded the tigger, messed with the torque on the action settings and tried different ammo. I've also had the barrel chopped/recrowned which thankfully didn't make it any worse, maybe a tiny bit better. Groups at 100 metres look like shotgun pattern last time I tried, admittedly before I made any changes.
Talk to @gundoc
He sorted my 10/22 out. It behaves completely differently now.
I'm also realistic about what I expect of the calibre and rifle; I keep my 10/22 strictly subsonic and for shorter (less than 50m) shots.
I'll use my .22mag b/a for longer shots
Works for me
I came here to say exactly this. beat me too itQuote:
Originally Posted by gadgetman
Three inches at 100 m is good, the 10/22 was not designed for target shooting. The Ruger 10/22 is a rifle designed for pest control and the accuracy you are getting is totally adequate.
I think that 100m is starting to stretch the capabilities of the rimfire round especially subsonic. If you use dial up scopes you can extend on this range but energy is falling off badly as range increases.
Out to about 70 -80 meters they work well. I Have shot thousands upon thousands of pest animals with the several I have owned over thirty odd years of pest control I was involved in so nobody will convince me they are shit, I still have one which has seen a lot of use and it still shoots as it should.
I think as a pest control tool they are the best on the market, ideal for on a motorbike using a scabbard( nice and short), easy to clean, function well with subsonic, and are more than accurate for there intended purpose.
And that is about the price of @stretch's 795, which will likely still outperform the Ruger after spending that money.Quote:
Originally Posted by greghud
https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....95-22lr-37904/
@Dermastor, just buy my 795 already! I'm local-ish, so I'll even drop it off.
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gundoc: 1.5" at 100 m.
miss that rifle
when you say . . . ' you want to improve the accuracy ( a lot ) ' . . . exactly what did you have in mind & how much do you want to spend ?
i would imagine if its a project with a Big budget spread over time then you will eventually end up with a tack driver . . . which will owe you untold but may give lots of satisfaction.
have a look at these guys if you dont know of them already for ideas
RimfireCentral.com - Rimfire Community!
just don't sell it later . . . you will take a serious hit
good luck
If you want an accurate semi auto .22 buy a KIDD or make one out of parts. The truth is that at 100 m you are better with a .17hmr.
Thanks guys for your fantastic support (note the insincerity) no really you are all just sooooo great.
I should have explained better. I was hoping to use the rifle in the upcoming 22 practical match Kerry is running. We have to use std ammo and one target is out at 150m. Originally the rifle was purchased for pest control and for that it excels. I knew it wouldn't be overly accurate but for time limited stages the semi would have been great. But I will probably use a bolt action the flip side of its better accuracy will be less lead in the air. I do enjoy the banter so thanks for the ideas even the sell it now ones, but I will keep the rifle and yes I do have a nice 17HMR that is good for the shots that don't need the .223 Maybe a few small improvements might be made such as an attempt to bed it and add a KIDD rear block so I can tie down the rear of the action.
Dremal and autosolv, polish the Shit out of everything. Maybe not a accuracy thing, but made it nicer to shoot.
Play with torques on action. Mine likes tight as.
Replace buffer pin with a nylon rod. (I have some if you want, just pm me your address)
Have a look at crown. If it's good, new barrel. If it's crap, your call...... recrown or new barrel.
Honestly, get a Marlin and add to the collection. A man can never have too many 22's. They all have a purpose. A few years ago @mudgripz did a round up of 22 semis for a magazine, he took quite a bit of convincing that 22 semis could be accurate. The top two turned out to be Marlin 60 (tube fed) and Marlin 795 (detachable magazine). A lot of people complained that it wasn't comparing apples with apples as the Ruger was a semi and the others were bolt action. It's pretty cheap to grab it and try it at least. What do you have to lose?
Another +1 for the 795. You could dump a grand or two on a 10/22 to make it sharp, but yeah nah. The 795 will run ya less than the price of a 10/22 drop in trigger! Also, the 795 has a last round bolt holt open feature, and the mags are nice and flat and sit comfortably in your pocket.
Thanks guys for the comments, I have been out to try again. The scope in the picture is new on the rifle so I wanted to see if the old one was contributing to the problem. Worked my way out to 100 and fired 10 shot groups when the wind wasn't howling. I tried CCI Std in Solids and HP and Eley Contact and GECO Semi-auto
The best was the CCI HP 1050fps with 10 shot groups of 2.5" and 2.3" so that's going to be ok to shoot Kerry's match next weekend. The CCI Solids were ok at 2.5" for one group and bigger for the other and the Euro-Trash much worse again.
The trigger is terrible so I might give that a polish up and call it quits. Being between jobs at the moment another firearm is not on the horizon.
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Instead of the KIDD rear block I threaded a round head bolt into the rear of the action and then bedded it. Worked a treat and cheap!
@Hutch got any photos? Sounds interesting mod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hutch
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Try it now. Took me few goes to get all the interweb prefix stuff correct
Now that is awesome. I will definitely give it a go.
You are tending to get vertical stringing, so I would suggest that this is either velocity variation (ammo quality) or possibly fore end pressure variation. Are you shooting the rifle using a bipod of bags for the accuracy test? Those Hogue shocks are very flexible, plus you have a synthetic action so when shooting, imagine you gun to be a pool noodle (all whippy and flexible) and make sure that you are not putting any additional stress into the system as you make the shot (eg twisting of screwing the gun on the bipod or bags in order to get the scope on target).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dermastor
One cheap mod to consider is head spacing it. There is an article on Rimfire Central on how to do this.
Accurising 10-22s is a bit like customising your Harley- no matter how much loot you throw at it, it's always gonna be rather agricultural. They're a basic working tool with their main attraction being reliability. A pro pest control guy once told me he fully stripped the action every second brick and they never lost a beat. Power Points were all they ever used.
I guess that makes a KIDD a bit like a Buell. Very few semi .22 seem to designed for accuracy from the ground up.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6x47
The world biggest selling 22 semi action is. And it has sold over 2x the number of Ruger actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
My old beat up Marlin 795 will outshoot 3 of my mates 10/22s,find the right ammo and they are deadly little guns.
MMMM not sure about that. Didn't think much of the stock and the trigger wasn't nice. But there seems to be a lot of fans here.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadgetman
Well, certainly true for the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadgetman
The 10/22 has a great magazine but accuracy generally sucks compared to the various Marlin semis.
There are plenty of DIY fixes for the typical anti-lawsuit factory triggers. Mine cost about 10 minutes and an old floppy disc spring to fix.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
Marlin 60 over 11 million built https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlin_Model_60
This does not include the 795 variants.
Ruger 10/22 over 5 million built https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_10/22
I bought my first .22 in 1990 as soon as I hit 15. It is a Marlin model 60 S/A 18 shot tube mag. And it's still in the safe. awesome rifle,
I have both the marlin 795 and a mod 60 deluxe.Quote:
Originally Posted by ROKTOY
Both are suppressed and like anything Cci. They can shoot a ragged hole at 50m around the size of a 10c piece.
I have been shooting the 60 out to 200 on silhouettes with subs at club comps and having a ball.
When shooting paper at 100 and 200 with subs (haven't tried hi velocity ammo yet) it is surprising I can hit anything beyond 100. Groups are generally shit due to a number of factors. Wind, ammo and possibly with subs being in the barrel to long.
Technique has to be spot on to print a reasonable group at 100 even then you will somtimes have a dicky round that will fly out of the group.
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Have a 990 of similar vintage, it's much much nicer than my other more modern mag fed 795ss and 70pss, although the detachable mag makes it a little more practical from a safety perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by ROKTOY
10/22..... Accuracy....... this should be in the Campfire humor section...
some 10/22's i have had were awful. some have been great. my current one shoots 1 1/4" at 50m which is more than good enough to nuke bunnies and possums
