Which one ?
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Which one ?
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Depends entirely on application, please add context.
If your mainly shooting the likes of hares or rabbits, i'd go with the 17hmr.
If you were also targeting goats at close ranges id go 22 mag.
Sorry I should really be more specific shouldn't I...was interrupted. Small game out to say 150 meters, suppressed and preferably shortish barrel. Semi auto possibly...
Semi or bolt would change how many options available surely?
I like 22mag . I'm not saying it's better, as stated above it depends on the application . Why I like it is the versatility, varmint rounds, jacketed soft points for deeper penetration, or subs if you feel the need. Bit pricey if you are going to run mainly subs but it's nice to have the option.
Semi 17 hmr
Bolt 17 Hornet
They both work. My son uses a 17 bolt Savage, deadly accurate and so is he with it. Hares @150 are gonski! Hares @ 200 are usually gonski. He's only a part time shooter, doesnt do the dial thing, or the holdover thing, or know much about wind. But if its in the spotlight its dead. I used a 22 mag for years, pulled off some amazing long shots in pretty atrocious conditions. Ammo has come a long way and the 17 is a fun gun to shoot with. But in the end it all comes down to trigger time, you spend time shooting' shit and you quickly become pretty competent regardless of the boolit.
Both. A couple of CZ's using the same mags and same FFP optics.
.17HMR for when the weather is calm and the ranges are >120m on rabbits and hares.
.22WMR for when the wind is blowing harder and the majority of range is <120m, and where you could run into something a bit bigger, including a deer (head shot only), and for night shooting rabbits.
In my experience, the .17HMR is inherently more accurate than the .22WMR
For varmint hunting
My vote goes to the 17
It is a very accurate round.
A great compliment to the .22
0m -150m point and shoot
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Ok def 17hmr thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Ftx325
I'll let ya know soon, just sold my marlin 917 and bought a excel arms 22wmr semi as I wanted a reliable semi that wouldn't split case necks and if need be could put down somthing larger with appropriate shot placement.
Fast follow up shots are becoming more important for target rich areas hence the change to semi
They are both good rounds, bought a cz 452 17hmr off another forum member late last year. It took a bit if getting used to compared to a 22 lr but now that I've spent a bit of time behind it, hares and rabbits are toast out a long way.
The weekend before last, my brother and I went out on a windy night and missed the first couple of hares at about 50 yards, we soon figured out why. We had been allowing for the wind and once we stopped allowing for wind like we would have had to with the 22 lr, we started dropping everything first go for the rest of the night. We weren't shooting crazy far (spotlighting on a dairy farm), I think the furthest was about 120 metres with the wind blowing about 20 km an hour.
I don't have any experience with 22 mag but I imagine it would perform pretty well in the wind. I think speed helps both of those rounds more than anything.
neither...buy a .223 and be happy chappie forever THE END.
https://youtu.be/pAsEimnr2eU
Something to ponder.22 wmr vs 17HMR
I had to hand in my evil 223 and don't want a bolt version. Being a leftie I would prefer a semi. I have been considering a cz512 22 mag. I do also like the idea of a 17 but the savage is the only semi I am aware of and some of the reviews are average. And how would a shortish barrel with suppressor effect speed/accuracy/reliability as I don't really want a 22 inch barrel plus suppressor...Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
stop telling porkies.......
what you REALLY REALLY REALLY want is a lever action winchester .22magnum...with slightly shortened magazine capacity.
I can agree 100% with that sentiment as have sent hundreds of rounds down barrel of my buddies to great effect....and ammunition is MILES ahead of what it was back then.possums,rabbits hares goats and wallabies all fell to that rifle...oh and a stag...but did learn head shooting stag looking at me wasnt good option,9 shots slid along skull and the last 2 in the mag went into crease as it walked away with one hell of a headache...got 100 yards till lungs filled up with red stuff and it tipped over.
Funny you should mention lever action as I thought about that , can get both calibres in lever. But as a large chunk of my safe is levers and if the stazi decide to ban those I'd have nothing left....if you believe the rumours about what is on the list for the chop including calibres I would be left with a 22 and 243....
yeah nah..prefer not to have that nightmare....can you imagine the pighunters giving up their .44s , 30/30s and .357s ???? not a happening thing methinks.
I've seen 2 of these in the last month in Chch, both have been screwed by a bad job at shortening the inner tube. In fact one had a suppressor on the end and the tube itself was bent so you could remove the inner past the can to load it. Heartbreaking!Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
That is wrong in so many ways. I had looked at a new Henry rather than cut up a classic but the loading tube/suppressor thing was an issue. Now if there was a side loader like a Marlin...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Browning
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+1 for the CZ 512. Damn reliable semi auto and accurate too.
223 is better than them both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ftx325
* 17HMR is better than 22WMR against wind, all tests confirm this. People intuitively think 22WMR is better in wind because it is a heavier bullet. but in reality, they are delivered by comparable amount of powder and use similar density materials for the bullet, so 17hmr goes faster therefore drafts less. it is lighter but equally has smaller cross section.
* neither are actually reliable at 150m if there is some wind. a lot of guess work will be involved. if you like to shoot targets at that distance and enjoy the wind guessing challenge, then go for it. But if you want to reliably kill your game with minimised risk of missing, go with 223.
* 223 is louder, but if you suppress them, 223 is not much worse than 17hmr or 22WMR.
* in terms of price of rifle, you pay about 200~300 more for a 223, but in the grand scheme of things, taking into account scope cost, fuel cost, opportunity time costs. that 200 bucks is nothing.
* you can buy bulk 223 for about $0.65 each, not much more than 17hmr and 22WMR.
I use my 17hmr for under 120m hunting, advantage of it over 22lr is that i dont have to range my shots and think about hold over.
I may get flamed for this but that really belongs in the Bubba what have you done thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ftx325
probably not wrong but something short barreled and suppressed like that in 44mag say would be an awesome bush gun or running subs over dogs....and they look cool and allow fast follow ups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
I seriously considered doing the same thing to my rossi 44 shortening the mag tube and overbarrel set up. short , light , plenty of put down power.
17WSM worth throwing in the mix?
22 mag lever at gc wellyland
Yes... it's on trade me but has got the tube loading magazine so would be a pain with suppressor I think. After the suggestions about 223 and seeing Tommy's howa mini chassis porn in his thread I'm thinking maybe something along those lines maybe instead. Would be a better all round rifle I guess at the end of the day.
Also belmonts 223 frangible out performs .17 and.22 mag by quite a bit. A mag of that and one of std 223 and you are pretty much ready for any eventuality
Is there actually a thread called that @Marty Henry. I should probably put pics of my SBL c.a.r in there... it now has matching leather upholstery front and rear .. I got bored last weekend...Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
Thanks @dannyb.:thumbsup: Now that's not a hint is it? ;)
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...... if we all had the same tastes life would be boringQuote:
Originally Posted by Ftx325
That's what I've settled on using after owning a 22mag as well good for anything up to goats some have used them successfully on fallow as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by berg243
so no issues cycling with short barrel and can then ?
hows the accuraccy ?
After todays range test I'm happily sold on my 22wmr semi :cool:
what di you end up with
Excel arms acceleratorQuote:
Originally Posted by country cuts
watch out bunnies now maybe a goat or 2
Well after some thought and advice from you fine gentlemen ( cough cough ) on this site , and seeing Tommy's howa chassis gun porn , and the fact that there's always a chance of a goat ,pig , or maybe a deer floating around I have decided to go the 223 route and I am officially on the list at 55six for the new kiwi made ultralight howa chassis.
Give me a bit of a project as well , and support a kiwi made product to boot.
:thumbsup:
I thank you all for your insight and input.
It's going to be a long three months waiting for the chassis though..... it's only been a week and already I'm chomping at the bit....
