30-06

Hey folks.

Asking on behalf of a mate.

So he currently has a 13.5inch 308 which is his bush hack type rifle and for what it is yeah sure its nice and all but he is wanting to get something that can reach a bit further out.

For simplicity of components I have suggested a 30-06 plus once suppressed it won't boot him around too much.

For those who have 30-06s in terms of weight, portability,recoil and killing power down range am I safe to assume it's got a fair bit more boogie than a tried and true 308? And how does it go with say a 20" barrel?

I'm asking as I own 308 myself albeit with a 20" barrel and love it but for my mates purposes a 30-06 sounds on paper like not a bad step up?

Cheers

Have a read of my recent 30-06 load developement thread, mine was 22" barrel and was plenty deadly out to plenty far away shootin 178gn eldms at a moderate pace.

https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....ight=Lone+wolf

The 30-06 does have an edge over the 308, particularly with the heavier bullets, but I wouldn't say it has a fair bit more boogie. Velocities with the same bullet are similar, but the 30-06 stabilises the heavier ones better as a faster twist is standard (1:10, whereas 308 is usually 1:12, but can get 1:8).

He planning on keeping the short bush 308? Why not just get another 308 with a full length tube, simplifies the reloading process even further.

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Originally Posted by 223nut

He planning on keeping the short bush 308? Why not just get another 308 with a full length tube, simplifies the reloading process even further.

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That had seriously crossed my mind actually.

how much far is he trying to reach. Even a 13.5 inch 308 can reach quite far I expect?

30-06 should put bullets out at around 150fps faster than a 308.
A 22" 30-06 will put bullets out substantially faster than a 13.5 inch 308 especially with heavier projectiles.

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

30-06 should put bullets out at around 150fps faster than a 308.
A 22" 30-06 will put bullets out substantially faster than a 13.5 inch 308 especially with heavier projectiles.

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yes but how far are we trying to shoot?? If a "bit further" means to 400m then surely a 308 with something like 168eldm would work?

As far as 30/06s go I have seen my mate in action with his kimber (unshortened) and its bloody impressive.

If he has a hankering for another rifle then the 30-06 certainly fits the bill. A bit of a step up from the 308, and easy to load for. But if it was mine I wouldn't be limiting it somewhat by chopping the barrel to 20". I'd be looking to keep it at least 22" and preferably 24" to utilise what the 30-06 is capable of. Theres no need to have 2 short as rifles.

And the 06 is certainly capable of sending mean as boolits way out there with authority, just as capable as any of the modern sooper dooper offerings that are flavour of the month at present.

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

A 22" 30-06 will put bullets out substantially faster than a 13.5 inch 308 especially with heavier projectiles.

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A 22" 308 should also put bullets out substantially faster then a 13.5" 308, just not quite as fast as the 30-06.

Another point to maybe consider in these times of component shortages is that a 30-06 uses a lot more powder per round than a 308.

Mine is blued steel and walnut and a 24" barrel. Not going to be my first choice for bush bashing but that's why I have a lever 30-30.

Commonality of components is a great reason to have different 30 cals.

The 30-06 does well with loads from cat sneeze to earschplittenloudenboomer, with projectiles from cast lead to ballistic tips in weights from 110 to 180 but portability and recoil are inversely proportional.

Here's some reading matter from the Defense Technical Information Center that probably doesn't answer your question but the conclusion is gold;

The 30-06 is never a mistake – Townsend Whelen

Attachment 189427

Another good thing about the 30/06 is that it tolerates a lot of different powder types and speeds. Kinda handy in this day and age of shortages. You’ll be able to find something on the shelf to get a satisfactory load going for it.

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Originally Posted by mikee

yes but how far are we trying to shoot?? If a "bit further" means to 400m then surely a 308 with something like 168eldm would work?

As far as 30/06s go I have seen my mate in action with his kimber (unshortened) and its bloody impressive.

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Originally Posted by Cigar

A 22" 308 should also put bullets out substantially faster then a 13.5" 308, just not quite as fast as the 30-06.

Another point to maybe consider in these times of component shortages is that a 30-06 uses a lot more powder per round than a 308.

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Yes it all depends how far a bit further is really.

I have used the 308 fairly extensively and its range limitations on game im my experience are not so much due to energy but due to wind drift.

And chucking a higher bc bullet faster helps a lot with actually hitting what you are aiming at on the first shot.

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Originally Posted by 223nut

He planning on keeping the short bush 308? Why not just get another 308 with a full length tube, simplifies the reloading process even further.

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The difference between 13.5" and 20" barrels chambered in .308Win is 200-250ft/sec
The difference between a .308win and 30-06 is 100-150ft/sec

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Originally Posted by Puffin

The difference between 13.5" and 20" barrels chambered in .308Win is 200-250ft/sec
The difference between a .308win and 30-06 is 100-150ft/sec

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Yes however I believed the point being in a longer configuration the 30-06 is going to tick a box that potentially the .308 won’t, off the cuff.

I've heard it said that the 30 06 is never a mistake.

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Originally Posted by Huntfisheat

Sounds like an excuse for a .300WSM. Easily better than both in terms of fps and especially energy and, if it's going to be a dedicated medium to long range gun, why not?
Big improvement, as opposed to a marginal improvement out of a 26inch tube.

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True, after shooting my Mates Kimber Mountain Ascent or Sub Alpine (I cant remember which) ....................30/06 I brought a 300WSM and shortened the barrel to 20 inches. I was looking for 30/06 ballistics but with a shorter overall length when suppressor fitted which is exactly what I got or slightly better pretty much.

This is a very interesting thread,I have a 308 and a 30.06,both with 20 inch barrels and suppressed.
I get very similar performance from both calibers,the 30.06 is giving me 85 ft/s faster speeds with the 165 gn projectiles.
I'm told the 30.06 is very versitile to load for,however mine seems to be fussy.I guess it comes down to the individual rifle.
Im told bigger case capacity means more powder means more speed,so if it's down range energy your friend needs then the 30.06 can definitely be loaded for 600 yds.

I would go either 308 or 30.06 in caliber,I guess the decision would be in finding a rifle that your friend likes...in either caliber.

308 will be easy to find factory ammo for, 30 06 is better if your going for hot cartridges like superformance or loading up. This gets you about 1/2 way between traditional 06 and magnum performance. You need to remember a lot of factory 30 06 is not loaded to it's potential.
If in doubt get both then maybe a 300 WM just in case your still not sure you want more grunt.

20" 308 with the right bullet is good to 500 no worries. Already had the components so tell him to buy some 168tmks/eldm/amax

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Originally Posted by superdiver

20" 308 with the right bullet is good to 500 no worries. Already had the components so tell him to buy some 168tmks/eldm/amax

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I got one of these for sale

I have a .308 and a .30/06. A 30/06 with a 22 inch barrel will take a 13 inch barrelled .308 and pound it into the ground like a tent peg.

But if you're going to chop the barrel short and suppress it, then dont bother. Doing that is to ignore performance, which is the thing you're trying to enhance.

As good as the 30-06 is, if it were me I would be looking at a 7mmRM or 300WM with a 24in barrel, muzzle brake, and high BC pills. The 30-06 packs a heavy punch but there will be more wind drift compared to a 7RM/300WM; the wind is your real enemy on the tops rather than energy/trajectory

The win mag probably wins due to more ammo/component availability

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Originally Posted by Bullers243

This is a very interesting thread,I have a 308 and a 30.06,both with 20 inch barrels and suppressed.
I get very similar performance from both calibers,the 30.06 is giving me 85 ft/s faster speeds with the 165 gn projectiles.
I'm told the 30.06 is very versitile to load for,however mine seems to be fussy.I guess it comes down to the individual rifle.
Im told bigger case capacity means more powder means more speed,so if it's down range energy your friend needs then the 30.06 can definitely be loaded for 600 yds.

I would go either 308 or 30.06 in caliber,I guess the decision would be in finding a rifle that your friend likes...in either caliber.

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this mirrors the results Iv been getting with my 280 rem vs what my mate is doing with his 7mm08
Iv got a full 22 inch barrel and he is nipping at my heels with his 16 inch 7mm08
Id either stoke up the 308 with a hand load or step up to a 7RM

Cheers for the replies folks. Have passed on.

Think he will stick with what he has 308 wise and perhaps just upgrade the scope

Knowing what l know now as have a short 308 a medium 3006 and in my past life a 300wsm.
A no brainer to go 300wsm in my book for what you describe.
155 amax 800yds and still doing the job on animals.
Put some bigger pills in and even better results!

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Originally Posted by andyanimal31

Knowing what l know now as have a short 308 a medium 3006 and in my past life a 300wsm.
A no brainer to go 300wsm in my book for what you describe.
155 amax 800yds and still doing the job on animals.
Put some bigger pills in and even better results!

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Genuine question Andy.
Why are you running such a light projectile in a wsm?
Super bunny vaporizer?

Anything the 308 does the 3006 does better and the 300wsm does better again and so on. Any caliber is a compromise in some measure. Apart from the 280AI.

If your mate wants to shoot past 600y then something that holds more powder than 308 is required.

I wanted an ultralight 600y max rifle with my 308 Montana. It goes well.


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