Thread: 300 PRC why hasnt it achieved greater popularity ?

I shoot a close cousin , 300NM... I may be a bit of a wouse, that that size is as big as I would want to have... fun on steel out to 2k... but mine is heavy and not a hunting rifle... 300PRC in a light weight hunting chassis may be okay if it was dialed down, but chase long range with high mv and it would be too much for me.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

if Remington reintroduced the .222 today.......it would have the same problem.....its at the very end of whats allowed on public land,you need to be a very good shot to get the best out of it,or indeed any benifit over 10 other cartridges of SIMILAR nature.
unless the range is right in its sweet spot that 10 other cartridge number can well be doubled or even tripled

in short its a Neitch market.....

if your a bush hunter you arent going to sell your .308 to buy one
if your a farmland hunter and usually dont shoot past 600 yards your not going to sell your (insert cartridge of choice here) to buy one
if your a Father getting your kids into shooting and want one rifle you both can use..you wont buy one
if your recoil sensitive you wont buy one
if you like ammunition to cost less than $4 a round you wont buy one
if your into long range slaying of animals and you have perfected your art with your (insert calibre here) custom build that cost you the equivilent of house deposit to build...your unlikely to sell it a huge loss in order to buy new skid on the jock to then go out and relearn it all again..in saying that,THIS IS ITS MARKET
if you have $$$$$ to burn and the urge to scratch the itch and have something different better than your mates one..you might buy one

not my cuppa tea...maybe its yours???

Liking purely for this phrase

new skid on the jock

30cal projectiles are easy to get and ADI powders work well so I’m a fan.

215, 230 and 245 bergers are all sweet projectiles so god knows why all the hate. Once suppressed the recoil is lighter than an unsuppressed tikka in any 308 bolt face.

I’d love a 300wsm customised for the 215berger but that’s a $5000 kinda rifle set up where as 300prc is ready to roll from the factory.

Originally Posted by Bagheera

Is it just the momentum of too many 300 win mag and a small customer base of hard man hunters ?

Or is the recoil too much for precision competition work ?

Is it a patent problem like the 7mm WSM had ?

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Because it ain't a .308??

A real lack of rifle choice is whats hampering it ,i have only seen it in a bagera and thats the mountain version thats 5k so not something most would go for . But it and the 7mm prc are really just modinized and optimized versions of the the two older cartridges to make the most of the best new components that are available . The 7mm will i suspect take off once you can get it commomly available rifles as it will fit in tikkas and they are know to be slow to release things and it would be the perfect fit for a carbon lite . Rifles beig chambered and brought into the country will decied how they go here . But the one thing with the 300prc your never going to lack horsepower for anything your likley to run into here .

I have used 5 300prc rifles and all shot well.
All loaded with 230 atips or 225eld match.
If I didn't have my 300 norma mag I would not hesitate to buy that chambering.
Big 30s are a great compromise as the 338 lapua when shooting the 300g pills you know you are shooting a big piece of kit!
A great chambering in my book!

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Originally Posted by ChrisW

I think a cartridge is never really going to be truly popular until components (brass) and ammo are very mainstream, and not excessively expensive compared to other options which do basically the same thing with better availability and lower cost.
I mean, $433 for 50pc of Lapua brass? No thanks..

100 Lapua 300 PRC brass $359

https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....ss-sale-89844/

So not that bad cost wise

The 300 PRC is never going to be as popular here as the 7mms, just as the 300 Win Mag isn't

We are a suppressor country, projectiles heavier than 160 grains in our typical light weight hunting rigs are too much for most guys unless braked

All the reasons mentioned above are valid when asking why it has not achieved greater popularity:
- recoil beyond what most can handle in a light rifle with out a break and a suppressor ( the gentler 7rem mag is actually the limit for a vast majority of people , unbraked or unsuppressed).
- it does not fit in a tikka ( it does fit in a Sako 85 magazine , and guncity have some Lothar walther barrels pre chambered ready to screw onto )
- only hornady manufatures ammo.
- like every kool cartridge hornady comes with, you have the usual comment” I ll jump on that cartridge when good quality brass is available cause hornady brass is crap”
- Howa and browning were the first two manufacturers to come with a rifle in that cartridge then later Bergara and maybe a few more.
But for a while you had to get a custom gun made if you wanted something descent .
- don’t forget that this cartridge came out just before the USA riot crisis and the realisation for millions of Americans that they needed a gun which brought the whole shortage of ammunitions and components : it was more viable for all the major ammo manufacturers to make 9mm para and 223 Remington than any of the latest exotic cartridge.
- and then came covid and the shortage of components in nz : projectiles, powders , brass, primers ( still)…
And now we have the rifle range restrictions, where a 7mm saum or equivalent in energy is pretty much the max you can shoot, unless you own a good size of land to play as you wish, or you know somebody with such land.

And yes , more likely the 7prc will be the next creedmoor.

Some 300WM have 1:10 like the Savage and sufficient throte for the heavier projsectiles. 300PRC may be easier to load without a band and probably worth it going forward, especialy if you'r trying to reach out without having to 338.
If I was starting from 0 I would probably go 300PRC but I still have a lot of 300WM stuff so

It's basically an improved 300win mag, the 300wm isn't exactly the go to cartridge for NZ hunting so the 300PRC hasn't really taken off.

The 6.5PRC and 7PRC are both far better choices for NZ hunters and the popularity of the 6.5PRC is proof of that.

Unless you are shooting really big game, long range hunting, or shooting steel at 2000m there's no need for such a big cartridge.

Originally Posted by SPEARONZ

I’d love a 300wsm customised for the 215berger but that’s a $5000 kinda rifle set up where as 300prc is ready to roll from the factory.

My point exactly, .300 prc fills the void for people wanting to shoot these awesome heavy long bullets but dont want to go down the custom rifle road. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with someone taking a 300 wsm / win mag and having it built to suit shooting 200gr+ pills well, but if your starting from scratch and dont want to spend custom rifle money, an off the shelf .300 prc is a pretty good option. Throated & twist to suit the heavy pills, great brass & components readily available. Wether its actually necessary for people to be shooting these big heavy pills at game in nz is kinda irrelevant, people will do what they want to do and it does seem to be the new "in" thing these days.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

if yo ucant already do it at 3-500 yards with a WinMag ...well yo uarent going to do it much better with something a little faster.... I believe you have slighted the mighty 30-06 too..... its more than capable of snotting that bull thar off his perch with authority at that range...

I have to agree, im all for new "cool" stuff, but at 500y your not really doing anything with a 300 prc that a win mag cant do almost as well. 200gr ELDX out of a 300 win at 2850fps has 2000ftlb & just under 15 inches of wind drift in a 10mph crosswind. With a 300 prc you could go up to something like a 220gr ELDX & at 2850 thats got 2300ftlb & 13 inches of drift at 500y. No animal we can shoot in nz is gonna notice the difference there nor is the gain of less wind drift going to make a noticeable difference at only 2 inches. Your only going to really see the 300 prc come into its own as you start to go even heavier with pills and shooting at targets much further out.

Maximum cartridge overall length is 3.7 inches.
The same as 338 Lapua Magnum and 300 Norma Magnum.
Only the "bolt face" (base diameter) is the same as 300 Win Mag.
The SAAMI max COAL for 300 Win Mag is 3.340" and the min for 300 PRC is 3.575" - no common ground.
see https://saami.org/technical-informat...mber-drawings/
So, any WinMag or RemMag rifle can't be just changed to 300 PRC by swapping a barrel.
You would need a longer throw bolt to feed it, preferably full Lapua Magnum length.

Originally Posted by Bagheera

Maximum cartridge overall length is 3.7 inches.
The same as 338 Lapua Magnum and 300 Norma Magnum.
Only the "bolt face" (base diameter) is the same as 300 Win Mag.
The SAAMI max COAL for 300 Win Mag is 3.340" and the min for 300 PRC is 3.575" - no common ground.
see https://saami.org/technical-informat...mber-drawings/
So, any WinMag or RemMag rifle can't be just changed to 300 PRC by swapping a barrel.
You would need a longer throw bolt to feed it, preferably full Lapua Magnum length.

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My 300PRC is a rebarreled remington 700 300WM.
Just sits in a krg bravo stock with CIP mags without any modifications

That sounds hopeful.
Can you run factory ammo through it ?
What COAL are you using ?