Thread: 338 suppressors

You dont like overbarrel suppressors?

Originally Posted by Bill999

You dont like overbarrel suppressors?

Nope!

Im interested in the pro's of QD suppressors too. I would have thought lightweight, overbarrel was the way to go. My suppressed guns wear a suppressor permanently so cant see the need for QD. Also QD means barrel forward.

I was speaking with the Beretta gunsmith , and he said they brought some in for the Police to try ( BL 223 cans ) , and they where the agents then, the Police liked them , and cut the agent OUT , and Police went straight to AU & ordered 2000 , so after doing the leg work & being the offical agent , and htne getting screwed , they decided not to bother with AU any more, and I donot blame them .
If you cannot get them out of Finland because they want to be wankers , then get them from the UK or Europe etc .
I am trying to get SL7 30 & 338 cans for my self at the moment , see how that goes .
Later Chris

Originally Posted by ChrisF

I was speaking with the Beretta gunsmith , and he said they brought some in for the Police to try ( BL 223 cans ) , and they where the agents then, the Police liked them , and cut the agent OUT , and Police went straight to AU & ordered 2000 , so after doing the leg work & being the offical agent , and htne getting screwed , they decided not to bother with AU any more, and I donot blame them .
If you cannot get them out of Finland because they want to be wankers , then get them from the UK or Europe etc .
I am trying to get SL7 30 & 338 cans for my self at the moment , see how that goes .
Later Chris

Hi Chris,

This is completely incorrect information and needs to be corrected.

We were working with Beretta NZ, for the civilian market.

The NZ military & police market was and is represented by Spearpoint Solutions & Technology, that also cover our products for the Australian market.

The import of test samples going to the NZ police was handled in co-operation with Spearpoint and Beretta NZ, without any issues, at least to our knowledge.

I will not comment further on MIL/LE contracts, but the ordered quantity was not near 2000 pieces.

We have not worked recently with Beretta NZ with regards to the civilian market, as they simply did not order products any more and we did inquire from them several times about this.

They may very well have their good reasons, but the comments you related from the Beretta gunsmith are simply not true.

I would also not like to be called a wanker, if there is second/third hand information spread around that is not correct.

Regards!

Tuukka Jokinen
Sales and Marketing Manager
Ase Utra sound suppressors

Originally Posted by Tuukka

Hi Chris,

This is completely incorrect information and needs to be corrected.

We were working with Beretta NZ, for the civilian market.

The NZ military & police market was and is represented by Spearpoint Solutions & Technology, that also cover our products for the Australian market.

The import of test samples going to the NZ police was handled in co-operation with Spearpoint and Beretta NZ, without any issues, at least to our knowledge.

I will not comment further on MIL/LE contracts, but the ordered quantity was not near 2000 pieces.

We have not worked recently with Beretta NZ with regards to the civilian market, as they simply did not order products any more and we did inquire from them several times about this.

They may very well have their good reasons, but the comments you related from the Beretta gunsmith are simply not true.

I would also not like to be called a wanker, if there is second/third hand information spread around that is not correct.

Regards!

Tuukka Jokinen
Sales and Marketing Manager
Ase Utra sound suppressors

Tuukka;
Can you please follow up on our communications
Thanks
Matt
Katipo Shooting

the pro's of the muzzle forward & QDs , are
1 ) as its muzzle forward , the rear shape / contour is NOT important , makes barrel profile & fitting easier .
2 ) most QDs have a locking mech , which is a catch / lever / ratchet , etc thats positively stops the can from un-intentially un-screwing it self .
3 ) in most cans the large rear volume is not as effective in suppressing the sound as , baffles are forward of the muzzle , look at most telescoping/reflex types and they have very small lenght/baffles forward of the muzzle , .

these are just generalisations , some like the surefire , are a mix of QD & reflex designs , but the muzzle brake is very long and barrel contour is complex for the fittng of their brake .

In 338LM , I think that either Ase Utara , Or Brugger &Thomet would be hard to beat in this cal , the NEA could be nice as well , but for me the AU SL7 BL is what I want , as the can should be good , and the big plus for me is it has a locking mech , to stop the can from un-screwing it self .


Later Chris

QD does not mean they are all barrel forward , look at the suppressors from Surefire in the USA , for 308 & 338LM bolt guns etc , they telescope alot . they have a locking mech to stop them unscrewing as well .

I just want short, and if that means utilising the area around the barrel to increase internal volume then so be it. each to their own I suppose

overbarrels have very little volume in the rear section unless you go quite wide, weight/volume ratio is less efficient, can't be swapped between multiple guns (as made by most NZers anyway), also trap heat in the barrel etc

Downsides: Heavier, no-one makes them in this country

Originally Posted by gimp

overbarrels have very little volume in the rear section unless you go quite wide, weight/volume ratio is less efficient, can't be swapped between multiple guns (as made by most NZers anyway), also trap heat in the barrel etc

Also I don't like overbarrel on an AR because I like to have a handguard as close to the muzzle as possible (ie 13" hg on 14.5" barrel) for control + sight radius reasons and I like slim handguards because fat ones are terrible. I also don't like the "suppressor inside handguard" thing.

QD I am interested in because

-easier to swap between can/no can
-locking
-looks cool

Thanks for the pros. Locking issue can be negated by creating an anti clockwise vortex with the expelled gases.

I looked at my mates over barrel, had about 6" forward of the muzzle. Same as most muzzle cans.