Anyone have a hardys carbon barrel on their rifle? After info on break in procedure

Hey guys, just after some info on the barrel break in procedure. Hardys gave me a booklet on how to break the barrel in but it seems pretty extensive.. after every shot they say to run about 30 patches through the things with about 3 different products... if you do this Over the break in process you’ll be there for days cleaning and using 100’s of patches? It’s not a comp rifle it’s just a 308 bush pig pretty much... 16.5” barrel, obviously I want it to shoot straight but can I just use like g96 and a few patches between each shot?

The gunsmith who fitted my Hardy barrel (not a carbon one to be fair) told me to "go shoot it".

My Hardy 300saum barrel (not carbon) shot great without any mucking around and after maybe 500 shots still does. Never coppers. I just gave it a real good scrub after the first few shots and that was it really apart from a Hoppes scrub every now and again. I do put a clean bore snake through it after each hunt.

As Tahr suggested I had a Carbon one cleaned 1,3,5 shots with carbon and copper removed then full clean maybe every 50. Never store wet use a pull through or dry patch.

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Originally Posted by ariki

As Tahr suggested I had a Carbon one cleaned 1,3,5 shots with carbon and copper removed then full clean maybe every 50. Never store wet use a pull through or dry patch.

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Would you recommend using a copper and carbon remover specifically or will g96 work?

My barrel copper fouls quiet badly and takes a lot to clean it out. I’m using KG products.

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My thought is if it requires the process you describe it can't really be very good.
Howa, savage, tikka, just go for it. Also I think more rifle barrels are ruined by over cleaning than anything else.

Talked to a sniper instructor from army and his exact words 6-8,000 rounds in 308 copper or carbon maybe every 500 rounds and by Christ he can shoot. So are we prematurely eating barrels out for the sake of barrel manufacturing??

Look up 'Mark and Sam After work' on Barrel Break in. The definitive answer

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Talked to a sniper instructor from army and his exact words 6-8,000 rounds in 308 copper or carbon maybe every 500 rounds and by Christ he can shoot. So are we prematurely eating barrels out for the sake of barrel manufacturing??

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Was talking at the range this arvo with a guy who still shoots TR with a sling, and is dammed good at it, gives the F Class boys a run for their money (even considering how the targets are scored differently).

He shoots 308 exclusively, using two rifles with regular turns about. This allows him to verify any accuracy fall off. He has a barrel up to 12,000 rounds, although he usually has been changing them about 5000.

Barrel running in is a load of shit. Go shoot it. I have had several custom barrels for both target shooting and hunting. I have a Hardy carbon fibre barrel. When he gave me the booklet I gave it back. Custom barrels are hand lapped in their finishing process, just shoot them. Years ago I did a lot of research into this subject....short answer again....just shoot it.

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My 7 rem mag used to do that. I lapped the barrel with bore paste....problem solved

308/3006 calibre give one of the longest barrel life for a rifle. Barrel life depends on calibre, loads and how you look after them.

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Originally Posted by Taupohunter

My 7 rem mag used to do that. I lapped the barrel with bore paste....problem solved

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@Taupohunter I’ve lapped it twice with bore paste so far, full clean every 15-20rounds.

How badly does that copper fouling affect accuracy? Is it a hunting or target rifle Are we talking plus half a moa if so then that's within experimental error and not worth worrying about.
Fouling both copper and carbon will reach an equilibrium point where no more accumulates and theoretically the barrel will shoot consistently at that point.
One of my 223 has fired over 7000 rounds and has only been cleaned with a bore brush and solvent occasionally usually when the chamber gets sticky just a bore snake and light oil is its usual clean. The rifling is streaked with copper way worse than yours there's even a bit in the grooves but it still keeps doing 3/4 moa.
Honestly I'm afraid to clean it thoroughly in case I destroy the accuracy.

I still have this....
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New rifles, I give the barrel a good clean to get rid of the preserving oil then I just shoot them.
Normally I just put a few solvent soaked patches through to clean and then a lightly oiled patch. I only break out a brush if it’s really filthy.
I always put I dry patch through the bore before shooting..

Copper fouling can hurt accuracy. My brother had an old Remington 243 that he got 2nd hand and put I heap of rounds through it.
It would shoot 5” sprays at 100m and asked if I wanted it.
Looking from the muzzle end I could not make out the rifling.
1 day of soaking and scrubbing with copper removal revealed the rifling and it was back to shooting under an inch at 100m.

My target rifle, it takes about 5-8 shots to get back in the groove, group and velocity wise after giving the barrel a good deep clean. An interesting experiment if you have a good crony and the time.


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All my F Class barrels are usually on song after 1 shot. Confirmed by LabRadar and on the target. And if I am clever I aim off with elevation with my first sighter and can usually nail it. My only barrel that takes say 3-4 shots to settle is my one I use Moly coated projectiles in it. My work around for it is to fire 2 shots at home before heading off to the match.

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308/3006 calibre give one of the longest barrel life for a rifle. Barrel life depends on calibre, loads and how you look after them.

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Based on what? I would hazard a guess that a 358 winchester would last long as would any other catidges that are more underbored.

I'd follow their instructions..... I did shoots great..... They have sold a couple

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@Taupohunter I’ve lapped it twice with bore paste so far, full clean every 15-20rounds.

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Ask @akaroa1 about lapping with a lead slug cast in the barrel

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My barrel copper fouls quiet badly and takes a lot to clean it out. I’m using KG products.

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What bore scope do ypu have out of interest?

If you're considering a borescope have a look at this one https://tinyurl.com/yycce56m

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Originally Posted by robhughes-games

What bore scope do ypu have out of interest?

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@robhughes-games
Teslong, about $100 off amazon, plugs into a laptop, basically a digital camera, works well and you take the photos.

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@robhughes-games
Teslong, about $100 off amazon, plugs into a laptop, basically a digital camera, works well and you take the photos.

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Stunning image. Got a lee one and i wouldnt recommend it to anyone

Research. Read what I said.