Thread: Custom actions vs sako / tikka

Just buy a sako carbonlite everyone knows they are the best


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Barrels.
Who actually makes cut rifle barrels and what can you get here in NZ?

Of the button formed barrels, whats the best?
I have got 2 button formed Hardy barrels that shoot very well and the same for a Criterion. The 3 of them are a bit picky about what they prefer though.

I have a cut S&L and it shoots everything it sniffs very well.

Originally Posted by buzzmann

Just buy a sako carbonlite everyone knows they are the best


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They come with the benefit of texts from buz every week asking when your selling it

Originally Posted by Kelton

Some of the actions available are a cheaper start point than a sako when all you end up keeping is the action and trigger

That’s true. However when looking at what I’d get for the rifle if I sold it it became viable. Sold the old barrel and have a stock if anyone wants it. Turned an action that wasn’t getting used into one that does.

Originally Posted by Mararoa

That’s true. However when looking at what I’d get for the rifle if I sold it it became viable. Sold the old barrel and have a stock if anyone wants it. Turned an action that wasn’t getting used into one that does.

Yea that’s gold if it was already sitting in the safe resale will be just as average vs money spent

Originally Posted by Tahr

Barrels.
Who actually makes cut rifle barrels and what can you get here in NZ?

Of the button formed barrels, whats the best?
I have got 2 button formed Hardy barrels that shoot very well and the same for a Criterion. The 3 of them are a bit picky about what they prefer though.

I have a cut S&L and it shoots everything it sniffs very well.

Despite Gimps enthusiasm they are not a universal panacea. I had the strange case of a Krieger 6.5 tube. Din Collings fitted it to an action and chambered it in 6.5-06. It didn't shoot, at all. It went back and forward a few times but eventually was posted to the back of the cupboard. When 6.5 CM started to be a thing I dragged it back out and Mark from Waitaki engineering fitted it to a Ruger American RPR action, and it shot pretty good in that format.

My S&L "cut rifled" 223 barrel isn't all that special, it shoots better than any of the 5-6 factory and one Hardy barrels I've had but not by a lot.

I don't really want to diverge the thread too much but I woild expect a difference between factory barrels and custom match barrels regardless of the method of rifling them.

Hence enthusiasm for cut-rifled match barrels

Originally Posted by Tahr

Barrels.
Who actually makes cut rifle barrels and what can you get here in NZ?

Of the button formed barrels, whats the best?
I have got 2 button formed Hardy barrels that shoot very well and the same for a Criterion. The 3 of them are a bit picky about what they prefer though.

I have a cut S&L and it shoots everything it sniffs very well.

Noone in NZ makes them. Bartlein, Brux, CRB, MullerWorks, ACE - a range of US barrel makers. Whats available depends on who's bringing in what.

Originally Posted by Longrun

Dunno about relative strength of actions.
Remmy and tikka are the ones for aftermarket support though. Try getting a chassis or tactical stock for a ruger

I have no need for either a chassis or a tactical stock for my Rugers as the GS scout laminates do quite a good job, however I have attached an arca rail for Tripod use should I be wanting to smack stuff further out with a thermal.

Any discussion on premium components is welcome.

https://mannersstocks.com/mcs-ppf/

Hopefully there’s a NZ competitor for this in the future.

Custom rifles never hold their value, if you think you might sell in the future go factory if possible.

A Sako 90 would be a great option but as you pointed out you are a bit limited on cartridge selection.
Which is where a custom, or semi custom starts to become the better option.

Stock/chassis options highly favour Rem700 foot print, but Tikka isn't far behind these days.

Tikka is starting to offer more modern cartridges as standard (6.5PRC and 7PRC).
I think it'd be hard to go past a 6.5PRC Tikka in the stock of your choosing.

If you have the money rebarreling a Sako would pretty much give you the best of all worlds, and keeps the factory barrel if you want to sell later on.

Originally Posted by Longrun

I'm going to pimp up a Tikka. Not fussed about the action length. Doesn't need trueing and has a good trigger. Looking at glacier stocks.
Like 6gt but don't know if it's worth the effort with expensive brass and dies. 6 creed seems more available.

The only reason to go for 6GT over 6Creed is longer barrel life, less recoil, slightly cheaper reloads.
Competition shooters like 6GT for the above reasons, but for general hunting there is no real benefit to go for a 6GT.

The reality with cartridge selection is that 90% of the options offered through Tikka/Sako will do the trick, and 70-80% of them will perform the exact same on game(more or less).
A 7mm Rem Mag isn't that sexy anymore vs 7SAUM 7-6.5PRC, 284win, etc, but if you aren't shooting 200+ rounds a year then the difference is negligible.

Originally Posted by Beetroot

The only reason to go for 6GT over 6Creed is longer barrel life, less recoil, slightly cheaper reloads.
Competition shooters like 6GT for the above reasons, but for general hunting there is no real benefit to go for a 6GT.

The reality with cartridge selection is that 90% of the options offered through Tikka/Sako will do the trick, and 70-80% of them will perform the exact same on game(more or less).
A 7mm Rem Mag isn't that sexy anymore vs 7SAUM 7-6.5PRC, 284win, etc, but if you aren't shooting 200+ rounds a year then the difference is negligible.

It's dual purpose I have in mind so recoil and barrel life is a consideration

Yeah I reckon cartridge selection is often done backwards. Instead of selecting a cartridge first, select the purpose you want to fulfill and work backwards from there. Like 1100 ft lbs of energy at 600 meters, around about enough too deal with a red deer (yeah I know we’ve been through the whole energy vs wound channel thing) or being able to kill a deer at 300 meters. Then suddenly you can be looking at a short action round 140 to 160 grain etc etc instead of ending up with way more energy, recoil, weight than you need. There’s lots of good options out there and often a lot less complicated than we tend to make it.

Originally Posted by Mararoa

Yeah I reckon cartridge selection is often done backwards. Instead of selecting a cartridge first, select the purpose you want to fulfill and work backwards from there. Like 1100 ft lbs of energy at 600 meters, around about enough too deal with a red deer (yeah I know we’ve been through the whole energy vs wound channel thing) or being able to kill a deer at 300 meters. Then suddenly you can be looking at a short action round 140 to 160 grain etc etc instead of ending up with way more energy, recoil, weight than you need. There’s lots of good options out there and often a lot less complicated than we tend to make it.

Start with defined requirements. Yup