Anyone have one or know about them Thinking of selling some guns to buy new one but are they reliable , accurate etc . Also anyone know anyone who would bring me one in? Want new not used
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Anyone have one or know about them Thinking of selling some guns to buy new one but are they reliable , accurate etc . Also anyone know anyone who would bring me one in? Want new not used
A bit fat "Meh"
Heavy, long, unergonomic, expensive as heck, non-modular
Accurate enough but
Meh
yeah the R15 is like, bottom of the list
But yeah, an AR platform is where you want to start looking.
Rock River Arms - Operator, Wyndham, NEA. Ask someone who really knows though as I have only really began to consider one myself. They're a bit like a Rem700 in that there are soooo many after market bits to add to a base unit.
A decent AR15
RRA or something
Not Norinco or whatever
Sort of spoilt for choice in NZ at the moment with the AR scene, especially if the funds are unlimited. Maybe you should give an indication on how much you wish to spend?
Stick with the well known brands as above but also put thought in to what you wish to do with it eg Target/match, hunting, plinking, tactical. I started with one AR and am now up to 4, all set up for different situations.
How much do you want to spend? Obviously if you want people to know you have the best Ar on the block you will need to import it bit by bit over several years from various boutique manufacturers that nobody has ever heard of and then tell people at the range AT LENGTH about all of its incredibly sophisticated features as it sprays shells in all directions and stovepipes every second magazine
or just buy this guys one - its the best cos he says so The best AR15(be one of the lucky few to own one) | Trade Me
Or 10 of these for the same price and bury them in the desert for when zombies start roaming the streets sks | Trade Me
How about this one - its the ultimate tactical package... 223 Gun City AR-15 M4 Tactical Package | Trade Me
Those SL8s don't do much for me. They're apparently the civvy version of the G36. I'm gonna be boring and say go with an AR as well. You can always buy a new upper in a different caliber if you want later.
What are you going to use the rifle for? If you got that much to put into a rifle it's worth doing a bit of research before chucking down your coin.
Careful Cyclist... he might take you seriously about that Gun City AR :D
SL8's were the rifle people bought cuz they couldn't get a AR at a non crack smoking price
Schmeisser seem weird and overpriced for something no-one has ever heard of and considering you'll still have to replace bits to make it not shit. A2 FSB and a janky looking non-floating handguard on a $4000 rifle? Nah. It's just Euro-fetishization. It's German?!?! It must be awesome!! (no)
Someone had a new RRA carbine for like 1999 on Trademe??
NEA are rough but functional once you swap out a few nasty bits for like 1899
Hey Gimp,
What's up with the R15s? Granted I don't own an AR and have only shot a couple, the Remmy seemed a lot nicer and more lightweight than a few of the other lower priced ones like Anderson Manufacturing, I forget the others. Am I just looking at shit ARs across the board? :D
I'd love one for long range bunny busting... But there's other bolt guns I want more before I head down the AR road.
Do you have your E cat?
Not that you have to to own a nice (ish) AR but it opens other opportunities if you did have your E.
Either way, do NOT listen to anybody that tells you a R15 is a good option. They are idiots.
It's an overpriced shitty rebranded DPMS or Bushmaster (I can't remember which and it doesn't matter, they're both arse these days because of) with shitty QC, features and a horrible real tree paintjob
Literally no reason to buy one when you can get a better gun for less
If you're prepared to spend the dough, do the paperwork, find an exporter, and bring one in yourself, then look at one of the JP Enterprises offerings with the cryogenic supermatch barrel, in .223 Wylde. Either the CTR-02 or the JP-15. You may find one here but you'll be charged a premium. I can attest to the fact that both are capable of 0.25 MOA. When I brought my JP-15 in, the export fee alone was US$250. Landed here with duty etc it cost me just on NZ$5600 all up, then I still had to scope it. But it's an absolute tack driver... This was over two years ago now, when we were being expected to pay almost that kind of money for a plain old Bushy... In some shops, we're still expected to!
JP - JP-15™ Precision Rifle and Upper Assemblies
Ray.
The newer NEAs have a smooth finish and a good tight fit between the upper and lower. Yes the trigger is gritty and heavy and would be the first parts to swap out as is most ARs from what ive read on AR15.com forums. But for under 2K much better than a chinese clone. Check out the reviews on Facebook, nzar15 and North Eastern Arms pages.
You won't go wrong with a RRA. They have Wilson barrels and shoot real nice. Current national 3 gun tactical class champ shoots a Bushmaster with after market trigger, free floating hand guard etc. JPs are nice, but pricey!
Ok looks like RRA win for 223 now some advise on model, barrel length , suppressor etc I know some is taste but most has been tried easier to ask what works than try it yourself lazy? No been there spent shitloads been ripped off Oh yes
14.5", some sort of muzzle can.
A suppressor increases gas backpressure, blows gas in your face and increases parts wear. Do Not buy 16" barrel with carbine gas, if you get 16" get midlength gas. Get an adjustable gas block if you can or a heavier buffer, and a Gasbuster charging handle
don't get something with non-free floating handguards
most factory free-floating handguards suck (are fat and heavy)
don't get something with an A2 FSB
You still haven't mentioned what the gun is for. This all makes a difference.
If you're wanting something for varminting you'll want a longer heavier barrel. If you're just shooting at the range for fun a shorter, sporter profile barrel is fine.
I've got 3 MAE suppressors. I probably wouldn't recommend them. They do their job well but damn they're heavy (and expensive).
Stag.. PUKE... I think the only parts I've ever THROWN away have been Stag
The current DPMS/CMMG/Double Star/Colt/LAR lowers are heaps better than year or so ago - they used to be a little loose
To say CMMG is good but DPMS not, is ignorance - they are the same lower forging, machined in the same jig, with a different name on the side.
i've been to 'big name' mfgs in the US and seen the guys out the back knocking them together from boxes of parts - no machine tooling - just like the rest of them.. I'm not even sure any of the major machinists actually assemble complete rifles?
You can get 100 people to rank them, and you might get a trend, but more than likely it will be based off what the read on the net or their mate, and it wont add up to who ACTUALLY forges and machines them.
Same with uppers forgings- if you think that each company makes their own then you're dreaming - have a look at the forging marks on a bunch of different upper 'brands' - most will be a square or keyhole.. you can buy 2 uppers form the same company with different marks
You can get some nice fruity, non run-of-the-mill bits, however you will pay to play, and some of it is just wank factor
The BEST lower I've EVER seen/got was machined in NZ - it is PERFECT in fitment - no longer in production unfortunately.
Noveske has a good name and up there in quality, however the one I played with was the worst barrel extension/feedramp fitment I think I've ever seen, same with Bravo Company
As a complete package from Puke, OK, Good, V/Good
Stag -puke to OK
RRA - OK - some good
Colt - OK
CMMG - good
Doublestar - good
STI -good - V/good
DPMS - good
Bushmaster - ok
Windham - ok
Remington - ok
JP - V/good
NEA - OK
Noveske - V/good
Smeiser (sp?) - good
BRD - V/good
Spikes - OK
Norinco - puke puke puke
Buy what you really want, not what is available at that second - If a eg RRA/DPMS etc is $400 more than Norinco - then its a no brainer.. whats $400 when you're spending $2-3k?
Least you know the gas key will be properly staked (and checked on assembly) the trigger wont be worse than rubbing 2 pieces of 4x2 together, the receivers will have a reasonable fitment and other uppers are guaranteed to fit - when you're buying non US gear, not made to standards, then you're taking a big gamble. Yanks have been doing it for 40+ years vs a fly by nighter thats been at it for 6 months and using its customer base to iron out its QC and mfg issues.
Stuff to think about and notes:
You will find out pretty quickly that quadrails are mostly useless and become huge when you put covers on them
Handguard length, carbine, mid, rifle, extra long? All my uppers are transitioning to mid and longer length round handguards - I was told I would do this years ago.. :)
90% of triggers are throw away unless something has been put in its place thats not 'mil spec'
Get the furniture you want -sticky Hogue, Hard Magpul, in between Magpul +, ERGO (puke),
Low gas block, front sight gasblock, railed block, adjustable block..?
Gas system length - my 3 gun setup is a mid length 16" - it is a SHITLOAD nicer to shoot than a carbine - so much smoother. Have some 16" rifle length gas barrels to try out
ARs arnt the lightest of guns, and a 20" bull barrel points and handles like shit.. if it a bipod gun then no issues, but a run and gun comp rifle - just say no
No point in a 14.5 on a bipod gun either
A certain 'gunsmith' in the Nth Island chambering barrels, has no idea when it comes to gas port sizes - I know of more of his barrels that have been pulled and put in the parts bin than I know of still on guns - stay away and save yourself the grief
By answering the questions to start with, you end up getting what you ACTUALLY want rather than 'a gun', and in the end, save money as you're not replacing bits
You're not looking at entering the market at the bottom due to the $ range, so why settle for it?
Something will fit the rough picture you need, then its about working with the supplier to tweak it the way you want it
You can have a semi custom gun built for not much more than a out of the box
Oh and if anyone has a horrible camo Rem R15, I'll swap you new black furniture for the 'horrible' camo stuff :)
The reason brands like Colt, DD, LMT, BCM, Spikes, Noveske etc are "better" is a subjective thing. What they do is up the ante with QC by adhering to or exceeding the requirements set out by the US govt for testing the quality of their bolts and barrels. Their guns are made to not fail you in a life or death situation. They are made for combat basically. Most of the other manufacturers use generic, batch tested parts. Serious end users tend to consider them hobby guns at best and junk at worst. That's basically what you are paying for with the above mentioned brands - the wank factor of owning a "tier 1 AR". I'm not immune, I traded a complete rifle for a Colt upper. Just cuz.
In saying that "low tier" brands like RRA are fine for hunting and pretty much everything else a normal Kiwi would do. I have had a RRA for a year and been very happy with it.