Thread: Kiwi made Howa mini ultralight chassis a reality?

Scott trail left a void in this sorta styff so hopefully these guys can make a good go of it,

looks well made, i remember seeing them ages ago on kens website i think but went dead so wasnt sure if it was going to happen. So take off barrel (is it a hardy sorta copy?) makes it sweet to carry around in ya pack nice and short and still be legal as it cant be fired, but say if you took the butt stock off it would then be a big pistol? Therefore illegal to carry on doc, or anywhere apart from having pistol license etc.

Not picking holes as I've been looking for like this, failing a single shot its prob the best bet to take away on ya mountain bike.

I'm pretty sure Shooter Ready in Cambridge had one on the shelf last time I was there. They'll be at sika show if you're going.

I have one, they're magic. Maker is a forum member, he'll chime in if he wants

Originally Posted by Mikey-p

As long as your barrel is long enough to keep it above legal length when folded sure.
BUT i promise you if you get hands on it in the configuration that @Mintie has shown , you will not want a longer barrel.
It
Is
LIGHT


Besides , why would you want it with a folding stock anyway…. The tactical factor? Lol

Go to sika show this weekend and handle it. It will give you a semi….

Two reasons to want a folding stock:1 If the stock blocks the trigger when folded it cant be fired, avoiding the rifle / pistol issue. 2 No tools needed to assemble and faster to action

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Two reasons to want a folding stock:1 If the stock blocks the trigger when folded it cant be fired, avoiding the rifle / pistol issue. 2 No tools needed to assemble and faster to action

Yeah but if it's a short barrel like in the pics why would you need a heavier folding stock which will still be much the same length folded as a short barrel solid stock?
I guess the obvious answer is to retain barrel length but in my mind this is designed as a short , super light bush gun, not a long ranger.
I'd be going short barrel , 12" or so grendel myself.
Still reach out 250 mtrs for reds.
What more do you need for a bush pig?

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Two reasons to want a folding stock:1 If the stock blocks the trigger when folded it cant be fired, avoiding the rifle / pistol issue. 2 No tools needed to assemble and faster to action

well if it can be assembled in 40 seconds NOW.... ummmm how much quicker would a fella want...heck it would nearly take me that long to put together a break open in 3 pieces and Ive been doing that for 43 years so could do it blindfolded with one arm in my sleep....

I can turn pretty well any long gun into a pistol in under a minute with a cheap, simple tool most people have. Le hacksaw. If it ain't shorter than 762mm, it isn't a pistol

Originally Posted by Tommy

I can turn pretty well any long gun into a pistol in under a minute with a cheap, simple tool most people have. Le hacksaw. If it ain't shorter than 762mm, it isn't a pistol

Although isn't there other wording relating to being a "pistol" the capacity to be able to be fired single handedly? Hence why folders that don't impede trigger but bring the minimum length under 762mm are still no bueno?

I'm pretty sure I am wrong though

Looks bloody awesome. Very cool and practical.

Originally Posted by viper

Looks bloody awesome. Very cool and Tacticool.

Fixed it for you

Looks great - have been super keen to see if these would turn up ever since Ken first put a picture up of them! I know it has been asked - but does anyone know even a rough price point? And is it sold as just a chassis/stock or action and barrel as well? Very cool. Hope to see them at the sika show this weekend!

Round about a grand. They are still working out a price. But I was told that by Dave at Shooter Ready.

in regards to the comment about screws removing stock and turning into pistol, how is it amy different to a chassis setup with a removable buffer tube?

Lets stop trying to debate the issue as to wether its a pistol or a rifle. Pretty sure that some one clever enough to make a bloody good looking chassis system for a popular barrelled action, and then market it, has the nouse to make sure its legal! What I see is a great looking walkabout rifle that I would be keen to try as a PRS type rifle if the mag system allowed heavy for calibre projectiles in the 223, and 10 shot mags. It looks freaking cool, and practical, and I dont like chassis rifles!

Thank you all for you interest.
This chassis came about because no body else made what I wanted.
It has been a 3 year project with all the challenges that came our way in the last couple.
I wanted an ultra lightweight hunting rifle that still performs when needed most. With the gap in the market that AR15s left I wanted a short action that could take its place keeping with the modular theme the ARs are renound for.
I tested CZ 527s, rem model 7s ruger Americans and the Howa mini.
Not only was the howa the lightest and shortest action of the bunch it was also great value and very well made with quality Japanese materials and craftmanship. An easy winner.

Time to trim the fat. The factor howa stock is a little under 1kg which isnt bad but it it is flimsy plastic and I prefer achassis. The lightest chassis available for it at the time was the crappy plastic Excel light which was still the same weight as the factory stock and was like mounting your rifle in jelly.
Other chassis ranged from 1.8 to 2.2 kg which is just too heavy for a hunting rig IMO.

I have a background in Aerospace engineering so my material choices for strength and light weight were instinctual. The design came about by keeping it totally minimalistic and adding features that Iiked on other chassis.
Starting with the butt stock, while the tried and true AR buffer tube stock has many options it isnt the lightest and often leads to bulky and awkward mounting sockets when grafted onto a bolt action chassis. The Sig system was an easy choice over the AR buffer tube.
While the M1913 picatinny stock attachment system is new to many people it is not new to the industry, many SMGs have used this system since about the mid 80s. Personally I think it is a great system and more and more chassis designers are using it. It is very modular and now supported by many other companies. I have worked on with a few other international companies to make the attachment coupling an industry std size so all of our buttstock offerings will fit on each others chassis.

Check out the Sig website for a few of many that bolt straight onto this chassis:

https://www.sigsauer.com/parts/stocks.html

Note: Yes there are folding stocks available to fit this M1913 system but you will need to have a minimum of 20" of barrel as these stocks do not restrict the rifles ability to be fired in the folded position.

I'm not sure why all the fuss with the buttstock being removable as it is no different to any other chassis on the market with cap screws attaching it or a single crown nut on a buffer tube to remove it.
You fit and propper lot all know the rules.. you shorten a rifle in a usable state to less that 30" 762mm then you have broken the law not the rifle maker.

Where the confusion may have been is that my prototype rifle is a takedown. The barrel is first removed, no not like Hardies his is like the desert tech clamping system, my system predates his by about 10 years and has a detent on the front action screw.
After the barrel is removed the rifle is no longer able to be fired (obviously) making it just rifle parts, so then the stock can be removed and it packs down into a small briefcase sized pelican case or laptop bag etc. Its a perfect backpackers rifle.

I have shot this rifle for the past 2 years and it meets and exceeds all of my requirements. It is tough as and super accurate. It has been so much fun to hunt with and puts a smile on the face of everyone that has had the chance to shoot it. I proud to say ot is the lightest Howa chassis on the current market and easily the most modular fitting many of the popular AR accessories.
I look forward to seeing this rifle in the hands of some of you guys and getting your feedback.

Soooo... here's where we are at, the take down version is not yet available as it requires a few specialty parts and some small expensive cnc run of shorter 2 slot fore ends etc. This will come later if there is popular demand.
It was originally intended as more of an international model sold as a complete boxed survival rifle for the likes of Alaskan bush pilots etc.



Yes it can be fitted to the current model for those interest that want to upgrade later.

This first batch is being sold exclusively through the Sika show and will be a total ultra light weight custom rifle build set up to your specific requirements and preferences with all the carbon fiber trimmings etc. Come see us if you are keen and we can quote your custom package.

On the off chance there are any left after the weekend we MAY offer them as a bare chassis only.

The next batch will be available as bare chassis with the carbon butt stock and will also have a few other accessories available such as a carbon bag rider the fits to the accessory mount on the buttstock.
As for price.. the Howa mini rifles are great value for money and I always planned to to keep this chassis system affordable like the rifle, unfortunatly with small cnc runs of custom products along with top grade materials and keeping manifacturing within NZ the manifacturing cost climbs fast.
With that said there is nothing else like this on the current market and it has been forged in quality it's likely to be about a grand for the chassis.

Happy to answer any questions but not taking any orders here sorry. Come see me on the weekend