77 grain mk262. It's a HOT load.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyblown
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77 grain mk262. It's a HOT load.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyblown
The MARS, or its predicessors, were commercial rifles long before it was a military rifle.
again I say...wouldnt it have been a much much much better use of taxpayers $$$$$ and your ars to have issued them out to our troops......fark I hate the short sightedness of this govt of fools.
Our rifles were inherently evil. They had to be bent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
winstone is bent...... they should all be bent over and repurposed as ashtrays....
Eh, the tax payers were overwhelmingly in favour of the buy back apparently, so they can wear it.
3 kiwi's still straight...
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Its much older than that eh. Designed in the 60s and first used in 1977.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300_BLK
The cocking handles were flimsy imo, but i liked how easy that barrel came off. Made range clearing easy. From memory i recall you had to get a 280mm extreme spread max (20 rounds) to pass your LF shoot to be competant.
Their new sniper rifles seem to shoot pretty straight:
https://www.facebook.com/NZArmy/vide...8834048573274/
What was the allocation of MARS-L rifles between the services, did the Air Force or the Navy keep their Steyrs ?
The steyrs were phased out of all three services within the NZDF. Makes sense for each service to use the same platformQuote:
Originally Posted by Max Headroom
All styers are gone. Navy and airforce have 14.5 inch barrel. Army has 16 inch barrel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Headroom
True. I wondered if the steyrs had lived on on the navy's ships due to their SMG like size with a short barrel.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7.62
There’s quite a mix of comments on this thread about the steyr’s functionality; some squaddies liked them, some hated them. But if you look at many defence forces that had a bullpup as their standard issue assault rifle (NZDF, Australia, the Brits); did their elite units choose to use them? No, they would choose an M4 all day long. It seems the inherent advantages of the bullpup design have been outweighed by the negatives. NZDF made the right call.
I think alot of doctrine existed in using a conventional weapon,also a M4 variant is alot more flexible given you can change uppers for different roles.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7.62
I got to fire a SA80 a few years ago.It truely was horrid and I have never spoken to any Soldier who used one operationally and liked it.Its just a pile of wrong.
The aussies are staying with the Aug for all services, just the new EF88...
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trial camo i think...
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Hahahahaha. I like that. A lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by norsk
Also applicable to the current Govt.
And also "Squadron" have 14.5 inch ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danger Mouse
Yes first issued to Austrian units in 1978Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead is better
Are there any plans to run suppressors on the MARS-L?
Apart from the guys who already do of course..
Those that know best, valued my Colt SP1 more than I did. Why own a semi auto copy when you can legally own the real thing for less (with the correct licences endorsement obviously).Quote:
Originally Posted by Huntfisheat
Just a bit of background information for those interested . Page 38 = .
https://www.defence.govt.nz/assets/p...c/MPR-2018.pdf
They have been running suppressors since new, but maining in CQB...Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Headroom
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SA80 is objectively one of the worst military rifles I have ever handled.
On basic and corp training I was issued a brand spanking Austrian steyr, I didnt have any issues and thought it wasnt too bad. At Battallion I got what appeared to be the platoon bike, looked like everyone had used it....there was no blueing left on the barrel, the gas piston face had been rounded off and the gas plug had huge garks gouged into it from a previous owner attacking it with a screw driver to remove the carbon.....it was the most unreliable POS, continuously having stoppages...man I hated that thing!!!
By today's standards the optic was very average. The army rifles were worn out. Air force and navy were not as bad due to less use.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7.62
You say it in jest, but it is actually the MO. Lead with emotions and paint yourself as a real bleeding heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mauser308
Until you compete against them on a range. The brit rifle team were pretty friggen good at shooting comps and their 4x optic pissed over the Styer in precision stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
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What does that mean for situations where the rifle is used full auto for an extended period. Must be a mega tough chamber?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danger Mouse
There has been a move to heavier barrels to dissipate the heat of rapid fire such as the so-called SOCOM M4 profile barrel. The increased heat produced by hot loads is unlikely to make nearly as much difference as how fast you pull the trigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Headroom
Yes mostly, i understand the 62gr they are using has been tweaked to have the same trajectory as the 77gr... or pretty close to it.
