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    Muzzle Forward or OverBarrel

    Up front I've no intention of cutting barrel length down, then again wasn't too long ago I'd no intention of ruining any rifles lines with a suppressor but now except for the 9.3 they're all threaded .

    I'm getting another suppressor, for the 223, just can;'t convince myself about which would be better
    I found an old thread in which various opinions were given but that dates to 2014 I also found the Rod and Rifle suppressor test here
    https://www.rodandrifle.co.nz/supressor-test.html
    Which was very informative..

    I'm a fan of the muzzle forward A-Tec I have on the Finn light but would prefer to buy local this time

    I'm not bashing through bush with it.
    I just can't see how with highish volume eg maybe 5 shots fairly quickly, how the over barrels jobs won't heat up and therefore take much longer to cool down and cool the barrel
    However , I hardly see a muzzle forward can on a rifle shown on this forum so what am I missing, why do folk prefer or seem to prefer the over barrel jobs.
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    Better balance with over barrell, not an issue for a bench/range rifle, muzzle forward can make the rifle barrel end heavy but has the advantage of not heating up the barrell as fast as an overbarell that will feel better balanced but will heat up quicker, also as you pointed out the muzzle forward will be more awkward to carry through confined spaces

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    ive got a muzzle forward on one rifle and an over barrel on another havnt done a scientific test but once you screw a weight onto the end of a barrel it becomes muzzle heavy both mine did anyway over barrel just saves a bit of length for me
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    I prefer the over barrel. They only go a few inches forward of the barrel and because they come further back the balance in not affected anywhere near as much. Even between the over barrel ones you will have choices to make. Long and slender such as gunworks or Shorter and wider like the DPT. While I use Gunworks and have not had the chance to use a DPT yet, both these brands are very good. From what I understand DPT is a bit lighter weight that the Gunworks. And there are a number of others as well.
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    Over barrel is fine for a hunting rifle, moves the weight further back and has a mechanical advantage with the bush round the barrel. Does not allow the barrel to cool as quickly but I've never had a problem when after small game with the little 223.
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    Why don't you go along to Mark at Waitaki engineering and see what he could do for you

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    He's already providing the thread and rail, negotiations from there.
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    Over barrel meant that I wouldn't have to chop my barrel which had been re crowned

    And it also means that you can a bit longer barrel and still have the suppressor pretty close to the end of the stock. Which is good for certain calibers.

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    Ive got both DPT and GUNWORKS Spartans..... overall length there is very little in it (less than 2") weight isnt able to be picked by hand alone..... if muzzle forward is cheaper and you arent bush bashing so its range/open country/vechile only use I say go for it..the waitaki ones for x39mm look interesting.... as for barrel overheating if I fire 5-10 shots reasonable quickly...like sitting on ridge shooting wallabies...I unscrew suppressor to help let barrel cool down quicker...not a big deal...same goes for range work,suppressor unscrewed and bolt left open when go forward to check target.

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    I'm prejudiced towards muzzle forward I'll admit, especially with the longer range and range shooting I do in open country
    I guess I just wanted to see what advantages the over barrel would bring me, so cheers for the replies.

    The A-Tec doesn't add that much weight to the barrels end, it;s the Cmm-4 model, though yes it does add weight.
    I think I'll head for DPt's equivilent
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    I had the Waitaki Ar can on my last 223, great thing, couldn't kill it, saw Gimp and Tussock magdump ar's untill it got reasonably warm , took some time and still survived
    I know it's not the one you mean above,but i'm sure the quality is the same as is everything he makes.
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    I like over barrel as it seems to balance a bit better and slightly shorter. have a dpt on the bergara a standard one but hard to overheat a single shot new bergara coming with the magnum dpt on it because I can add or remove baffles for quietness or compactness as needed not that a single shot is very long anyway but when you get into tight scrub it is an option.. mate has a muzzle forward and it makes his 7mm rm over 1.5 times as long as my 243 also depends if you are going to interchange rifles with one suppressor as you can just change front baffles on a dpt.
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    It pays to do your home work when deciding on a suppressor.
    Whilst most folk are right in an over barrel will add less length to your rifle, some makes of suppressor will have less length forward than others.
    The hardy compact suppressor is the same length as the DPT over barrel but is 1" less forward of the muzzle, but you pay a fair bit more for it.

    I prefer the look of over barrel suppressors and would be willing to take the additional weight to have a length forward of the muzzle.
    I ended up going for an ASE can, which is muzzle forward but so short is added same amount of length as a DPT over barrel, weighs a lot but is very effective and being stainless tolerated longer shooting strings better.
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    One thing to consider is that over barrels also strengthen a suppressor in a knock. ie if you were to fall a muzzle forward is held by just the threads which will likely just bent/shear whereas an overbarrel has two points of contact and as such is much stronger.
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    My mae over barrel doesn't have a rear bush

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    I have a stainless steel muzzle forward on my Jongmans .223, can't hurt it tough as old boots barrel is 20 inch.

 

 

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