Nikon or my Anschutz WTF????

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23-03-2020, 04:33 PM
Tussock

Nikon or my Anschutz WTF????

Two Nikon Prostaff 4x32 Rimfire scopes in a row broken crosshairs on my Anschutz 22LR. These replaced a Leopold rimfire, broken crosshairs.

Took the Nikon Monarch off my rem mag, where it was functioning fine (may have broken then), mounted it on the Anschutz. 1" @ 25m 2" @ 50m

Something not right here. I hold the scope at a teeny angle so there is a little reflection on the cross hairs, elevation has a visible crack, windage has a crack and with a visible hole in it.

I've never broken a cross hair on any other rifle. Rings have been changed in there somewhere.
23-03-2020, 04:45 PM
gonetropo

spring air rifles and crossbows are murder on scopes. a 22lr should give no issues at all
23-03-2020, 04:49 PM
csmiffy

The rings/mounts on the rifle arent up the shit and twisting the scope?
23-03-2020, 05:47 PM
Walker

Go buy a sightron S1 3-9 x 40. You won't regret the $250. Very bright optic for the money and will let you shoot well into the twilight.
23-03-2020, 05:56 PM
Frogfeatures

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Originally Posted by Walker

Go buy a sightron S1 3-9 x 40. You won't regret the $250. Very bright optic for the money and will let you shoot well into the twilight.

If he’s already broken 2 Nikons, and a Leupold, I imagine he won’t be keen to add a Sightron to the list.
New rings might be worth a look.
23-03-2020, 06:11 PM
ebf

Did you use the same rings to mount all 3 scopes ?
23-03-2020, 06:19 PM
257weatherby

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tussock

Two Nikon Prostaff 4x32 Rimfire scopes in a row broken crosshairs on my Anschutz 22LR. These replaced a Leopold rimfire, broken crosshairs.

Took the Nikon Monarch off my rem mag, where it was functioning fine (may have broken then), mounted it on the Anschutz. 1" @ 25m 2" @ 50m

Something not right here. I hold the scope at a teeny angle so there is a little reflection on the cross hairs, elevation has a visible crack, windage has a crack and with a visible hole in it.

I've never broken a cross hair on any other rifle. Rings have been changed in there somewhere.

Might have to check rings and mounts for "true" and then lap rings to be sure. Tension/torsion on the scope tube will magnify recoil stress.
23-03-2020, 06:43 PM
viper

A semi or bolt gun ?
23-03-2020, 08:10 PM
Tussock

Bolt action. Three different sets of rings. I recon it's straight, but maybe not.

It is possible all those scopes were shit. They all did plenty of hunting and plenty of vehicle time. The other scopes I forgot I broke cross hairs in were two Zeiss conquests.

I have a VX-3 to go on it, so we will see if it survives.
23-03-2020, 08:13 PM
Micky Duck

something definately wrong.....lapping doesnt appear to be that hard to do.....maybe find bar of correct diametre and just fit that in rings and have a plurry good look....bro in laws bakail shitted a couple of cheap 4x32s before we put a single piece airgun mount on it to cure twisting issue...the x39mm isnt huge recoiler either so the twisted rings thing mustnt need much.
23-03-2020, 08:27 PM
quadhunter260

@Tussock geez ya rough bro haha ive bounced monarchs n buckmasters around on my quad and bigger cals aint busted one 🙃
23-03-2020, 08:47 PM
Dama dama

It seems pretty unlikely to me that three scopes all have the same problem...

I use and love Nikon's never had any issues with mine. Including Prostaff Rimfire, and Monarchs.
23-03-2020, 09:48 PM
Bill999

Jeez your a wrecker haha

This sounds more like an odd coincidence rather than the savage recoil of the 22lr
23-03-2020, 10:14 PM
GravelBen

Sounds to me like the mounts on the rifle must be out of alignment if every other variable has been tested?

Even Anschutz can have things slip through quality control I guess.
24-03-2020, 06:50 AM
viper

Air rifles are really tough on scopes no matter the quality and in the early days 10/22 used to destroy scopes until a recoil buffer was added.
Something not right there and all three with broken cross hairs is beyond coincidence.
24-03-2020, 08:23 AM
Bill999

Iv watched a mini14 destroy a brand new bushnell

i just put it down to shit scopes on teeth rattler
24-03-2020, 09:18 AM
Cordite

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tussock

Two Nikon Prostaff 4x32 Rimfire scopes in a row broken crosshairs on my Anschutz 22LR. These replaced a Leopold rimfire, broken crosshairs.

Took the Nikon Monarch off my rem mag, where it was functioning fine (may have broken then), mounted it on the Anschutz. 1" @ 25m 2" @ 50m

Something not right here. I hold the scope at a teeny angle so there is a little reflection on the cross hairs, elevation has a visible crack, windage has a crack and with a visible hole in it.

I've never broken a cross hair on any other rifle. Rings have been changed in there somewhere.

May be a stupid question, but does your scope actually have a cross HAIR? A lot of "cross hairs" are not actually crossed wires (think, how would you wind a MIL/MOA wire???) but rather etchings onto glass.

If it's an imperfection in an etching you won't have a problem -- more like the situation where a house owner finds a grubby fingerprint inside his new double glazing.
24-03-2020, 11:29 AM
Remmodel7

Something fishy here. How have you manged to break cross hairs on 5 scopes. Think maybe you are hard on the gear?
24-03-2020, 12:42 PM
Bill999

probably those big kicking standard and high velocity 22lr
I just stick to subs myself haven't broken a scope with them yet
24-03-2020, 01:00 PM
csmiffy

I reckon its the rifle-cant be fixed and just a lemon.
Tell you what, Ill give you 50 bucks for it to make it go away and save the rest of your scopes, and I'll give it a hiding to make it see the error of its ways
24-03-2020, 01:05 PM
GravelBen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Remmodel7

Something fishy here. How have you manged to break cross hairs on 5 scopes. Think maybe you are hard on the gear?

But it sounds like only on that particular rifle, not on other (much harder recoiling) guns.

Which makes me thing its the gun that is the problem.
24-03-2020, 06:46 PM
Tussock

These are integral dovetails cut down either side of the receiver. Straight to the naked eye. I will measure it. The lines are definitely straight and apparently parralel, so I don't see them producing enough torque to damage the scope.

I think I'm just rough. I do break a lot of gear. Anything that doesn't crumble around me is quality.

Someone said three scopes. It's actually four. The last one had a dozen rounds of Rem Mag and was apparently broken when it went on the 22LR.

What about a curse? I have never had a rifle fall over. I bought a 10/22 that had fallen over so badly it lost part of the front bead and bent the barrel screws. I fixed it by reversing the barrel mount. It's fallen over twice since I got it. I've decided it's cursed and just likes falling over.
24-03-2020, 07:15 PM
gadgetman

i'd try a set of these.

https://www.gunworks.co.nz/shop/item...ature-22-rings
24-03-2020, 08:45 PM
Micky Duck

parralel dovetails...same as bro in laws bakail and it has same issue...airgun single piece mount and issue went away.
25-03-2020, 07:35 AM
Tussock

Quote:

Originally Posted by gadgetman

i'd try a set of these.

https://www.gunworks.co.nz/shop/item...ature-22-rings

Ouch. Yep, you are probably right. I'm not convinced anything is out of alignment. I think it's just this is a working rifle and the scopes were not up to it.

As I have three to send back I might get them fixed.
25-03-2020, 07:44 AM
Ultimitsu

maybe you really need a gun bag, or even better a gun case, you know, rather than throwing the rifle into the trunk. ;0
25-03-2020, 08:43 AM
Dama dama

Farken hell, how rough are you? As I say I've used a bunch of Nikons (have used Leupolds). Including a Prostaff Rimfire I've had for about five years and an older monarch I've had for about 10 years. The monach has been on at least four different centrefires and has done all sorts of hunting trips with no issues. I'm not at all easy on my gear, but I'm not stupid with it either. I'd say most kiwi hunters would be fairly tough on gear compared say the average European hunter in his stand.

Any reasonable scope should stand up to the riggers of a "working rifle". Many professional pest guys use fairly cheap optics. To be breaking scopes like that you must be literally throwing your rifle around....????
25-03-2020, 08:49 AM
gadgetman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tussock

Ouch. Yep, you are probably right. I'm not convinced anything is out of alignment. I think it's just this is a working rifle and the scopes were not up to it.

As I have three to send back I might get them fixed.

Yeah, the price is steep, but they self eliminate any mis-alignment. I've switched to them on a lot of rifles. Cheap compared to the cost of yet another scope.
25-03-2020, 09:36 AM
timattalon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cordite

May be a stupid question, but does your scope actually have a cross HAIR? A lot of "cross hairs" are not actually crossed wires (think, how would you wind a MIL/MOA wire???) but rather etchings onto glass.

If it's an imperfection in an etching you won't have a problem -- more like the situation where a house owner finds a grubby fingerprint inside his new double glazing.

Now that would properly fu_k me right off.....