Thread: no serial numbers

(I DIDN'T START THIS THREAD AS A BITCH SESSION ABOUT REGISTATION OR THE FIRARMS SAFTY AUTHORATY ETC PLSESE KEEP YOUR BITCHING TO YOURSELF ONLY GENUINE AND HELPFUL DISCUSSION PLEASE )

I have a small collection of antique firearms all old single shots so just A cat.
a few of which do not have any serials or marks of any kind.

now I'm resigned to the fact that eventually they will need to be registered sooner rather than later for me as I'm guessing I will drop my cut off to 30 days pretty quick. as it seems you can't do anything much without triggering that rule

question: what if my firearm doesn't have a serial number.
i rang FSA last week and they said i would have to call back after the 24th and speak to a registry officer.

what do you think the requirement will be?
1. best case just add a photo of the firearm
2 stamp the firearm with identifying marks. anywhere on the firearm like under the wood to retain as much originality as possible.
3 worst case stamp firearms in a visible location which id be a bit unhappy about TBH.

one would think #2 would be fine....after all the only time a serial number is supposed to be of any use "to keep people safer" is after its been stolen and then recovered by police...to find out where it came from..thus hidden under wood is as good as anywhere else....IF you got it stolen you report it,the serial number XXXXX is under forwood its a .32/20 single shot break open........... if a single shot break open .32/20 is recovered with no serial number visible...oh yeah that right..look under the wood..... TUI ANYONE.

The trigger to register within 30 days is reasonably high. I'd hold tight till a new bunch of clowns are at the trough in 4 and a half months, and may very well remove the need to register your FA's.

Originally Posted by XR500

The trigger to register within 30 days is reasonably high. I'd hold tight till a new bunch of clowns are at the trough in 4 and a half months, and may very well remove the need to register your FA's.

wish i thought the chances of that were more than 0% but anyways i hope you are right.

Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

wish i thought the chances of that were more than 0% but anyways i hope you are right.

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I had 2 shot guns without serial numbers. This was long b4 the impending poo. I put numbers on them for my insurance list.

I just invented 2 numbers (combination of my road address and some other random numbers and I think one prefix letter IIRC) and engraved under the breach area using a pneumatic engraver.
I don't know if on a rifle for example that they are required to be visable. With the shotguns of course it is very easy to get at the numbers. I would have thought with rifle under wood is OK as long as you can demonstrate (by stripping) that it has a unique number. And the more valuable or rare I would be reluctant to have a visible number.

Originally Posted by zimmer

I had 2 shot guns without serial numbers. This was long b4 the impending poo. I put numbers on them for my insurance list.

I just invented 2 numbers (combination of my road address and some other random numbers and I think one prefix letter IIRC) and engraved under the breach area using a pneumatic engraver.
I don't know if on a rifle for example that they are required to be visable. With the shotguns of course it is very easy to get at the numbers. I would have thought with rifle under wood is OK as long as you can demonstrate (by stripping) that it has a unique number. And the more valuable or rare I would be reluctant to have a visible number.

I used to engrave handgun frames on a cnc mill after they were imported into OZ as the importer needed to engrave deep and wanted neat as it was going to be visible. The NZ Police may want something heavier than hand engraving which would leave you with stamping or machine engraving.

No idea what you're going to do Barry unless you want to plug the muzzles.

Originally Posted by No good names left

No idea what you're going to do Barry unless you want to plug the muzzles.

Plug them with wooden dowels with red flags hanging off them stating 'bang!'

Originally Posted by No good names left

I used to engrave handgun frames on a cnc mill after they were imported into OZ as the importer needed to engrave deep and wanted neat as it was going to be visible. The NZ Police may want something heavier than hand engraving which would leave you with stamping or machine engraving.

No idea what you're going to do Barry unless you want to plug the muzzles.

If the Police want that, and at this stage I would bet nothing has been formulated/clarified that would leave hundreds, no thousands of firearms in NZ needing their serial numbers "touched" up due to not being "deep" enough, or worn due to corrosion.
Plus numbers punched or pneumaticaly engraved even though removed by crims for example can still show up under xray so desired outcome achieved.

And the subject of a deactivated firearm in NZ is that virtually no such thing exists and in the eyes of the police they are still firearms. Although having said that @gundoc posted something way back around 2018 stating the steps (machining etc) required to create such a firearm. The steps were quite extensive.

Originally Posted by No good names left

I used to engrave handgun frames on a cnc mill after they were imported into OZ as the importer needed to engrave deep and wanted neat as it was going to be visible. The NZ Police may want something heavier than hand engraving which would leave you with stamping or machine engraving.

No idea what you're going to do Barry unless you want to plug the muzzles.

have spoken to a gunsmith yeah said police not happy with calling them de activated lot involved for him welding cutting drilling into breech etc was not at all keen to do it maybe I will put it on here for $50 and see if someone wants it

Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

(I DIDN'T START THIS THREAD AS A BITCH SESSION ABOUT REGISTATION OR THE FIRARMS SAFTY AUTHORATY ETC PLSESE KEEP YOUR BITCHING TO YOURSELF ONLY GENUINE AND HELPFUL DISCUSSION PLEASE )

I have a small collection of antique firearms all old single shots so just A cat.
a few of which do not have any serials or marks of any kind.

now I'm resigned to the fact that eventually they will need to be registered sooner rather than later for me as I'm guessing I will drop my cut off to 30 days pretty quick. as it seems you can't do anything much without triggering that rule

question: what if my firearm doesn't have a serial number.
i rang FSA last week and they said i would have to call back after the 24th and speak to a registry officer.

what do you think the requirement will be?
1. best case just add a photo of the firearm
2 stamp the firearm with identifying marks. anywhere on the firearm like under the wood to retain as much originality as possible.
3 worst case stamp firearms in a visible location which id be a bit unhappy about TBH.

yeah I have my dads old 16 gauge hammer shotgun probably early 1890 no makers name and some years ago my brother locked it shut cant be opened - so no numbers what now

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

yeah I have my dads old 16 gauge hammer shotgun probably early 1890 no makers name and some years ago my brother locked it shut cant be opened - so no numbers what now

its already fucked and cant me fired in that case i would take it to a gunsmith and get it signed off as deactivated and put it on the wall as "not a firearm"

I will follow that up- as it is only a display piece really

You can't read the serial no on my takedown rifle without taking it apart, that's the barrel on the action has a different serial no

Apart from the stupid idea to implement a register here, who ever would know a number on an old firearm was original or not? Most of my firearms you would find it impossible to readily research the number on them. So adding a number where there is none, wherever best suits you, sounds likely to do the job. Or am I missing something?

And is there any penalty in current legislation for adding or changing a serial number? I'm suspecting there is for grinding one off...