Thread: NZ Defence Force to buy 82 new high-tech rifles for $4 million

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Comparing a civilian shooter to an army sniper is like comparing a good driver to an F1 driver. There's no comparison between the two, sure there are good shooters at the toby shoot but you guys are taking shots @ plates in a "relaxed" environment.

Besides that you are seriously forgetting that army snipers are elite - you can't just be a sniper if you think you can shoot long range, they are highly trained personnel far beyond any infantrymen and must meet minimum criteria to even get selected as one.

As I understand it Brads has mentioned that there has been "snipers" at his range shooting in a "relaxed" environment & he wasn't blown away by their performance..

Shooting is only a very small part of their role, whilst it was only on TV so it must be taken FWIW I saw an international comp on TV once & MOA was considered pretty bloody good.

It would certainly do the job they intended it to do.

Naturally like everything there are people who excel in their chosen field or hobby & others that just get by.

I have seen Guys shoot that are incredibly talented behind a rifle, definitely F1 shooters, some were at the Toby shoot.

Back on track.

Its great to see they are going to have some new gear, yes the cost seems to be pretty high but as mentioned it includes a lot of gear, spares, training etc.

I have used both the M107-A1 & M-Rad, they are very nice to use & fit for purpose

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

Back on track.

Its great to see they are going to have some new gear, yes the cost seems to be pretty high but as mentioned it includes a lot of gear, spares, training etc.

I have used both the M107-A1 & M-Rad, they are very nice to use & fit for purpose

I would be more worried about where/who the gear is to be used for/on.
A lot of unnecessary Wars on our Planet.
Heard of Donbass (East Ukraine) a lot of Sniper activity there - by local AND NATO mercenaries.

Not all - as we are lead to believe via Media are "enemy or bad" people.
They are more collateral damage to a hidden agenda for hegemony advance/gain.

Wish I had 48K to spend on a rifle, the lucky bastards

Fuck some of you are precious! Re read what was said, most in jest. Fucking keyboard warriors

there are some precious pups out there @Gibo and makes for some interesting reads

I have won over SOF guys in an IPSC match, does it make me better than them?

In that particular civilian shooting match environment, but not in what they really do. Shooting is only a part of a soldier's occupation.

Military snipers not winning a civilian long range pure shooting event?, sure it probably happens all the time, but put the civilians in their shoes is another story.

If a sniper cant win a civilian long range event then they needs to retire. remember snipers are not on the battle front getting all the fire like the grunts are, if they cant take out a civilian match then they don't deserve their status as elite.

Hollywood has a lot to answer for with ( some ) poeples perceptions on what is required to be a sniper . . .

Originally Posted by rossi.45

Hollywood has a lot to answer for with ( some ) poeples perceptions on what is required to be a sniper . . .

Yup. Most would find it surprising that the marksmanship component is by far the easiest of the skills a candidate learns.

Shooting makes up only about 10% of the role.




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Originally Posted by R93

Yup. Most would find it surprising that the marksmanship component is by far the easiest of the skills a candidate learns.

Shooting makes up only about 10% of the role.




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So someone who shoots for 10% of their role will be better than 100% of civilians at shooting?

Never underestimate a group of civilians doing what they have a passion for, and you can hardly form that opinion having not met the civilians that are being talked about, however Brads can as he's viewed extensively qualified/trained snipers in the same place and conditions as the civilians being spoken about.

Note: I know bugger all on the subject.

Originally Posted by Savage1

So someone who shoots for 10% of their role will be better than 100% of civilians at shooting?

Never underestimate a group of civilians doing what they have a passion for, and you can hardly form that opinion having not met the civilians that are being talked about, however Brads can as he's viewed extensively qualified/trained snipers in the same place and conditions as the civilians being spoken about.

Note: I know bugger all on the subject.

FFS! Talk about puttting words into people mouths.

I am out.

You legends should all be recruited by our Army coz your all such awesome fucking shots, way better than anyone in the military because someone says they seen a few shoot once. Awesome sample size there. A few days or a week tops?

Amazing that they were allowed in somebody's paddock with issue weapons.



Forgive me, I spent nearly 20 years in the job and thought it nieve to make the claim that all snipers would be schooled by a bunch of dabblers in a paddock.

A lot of our badged guys have competed internationally against the best equipped armies in the world and have won shitloads of accolades and medals.

How many lead singers at Tobys shoot have international medals? None?
But would if they could eh?









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Originally Posted by R93

Yup. Most would find it surprising that the marksmanship component is by far the easiest of the skills a candidate learns.

Shooting makes up only about 10% of the role.




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So why do you find it unbelievable that a 'civie' could outshoot a sniper?

Originally Posted by Gibo

So why do you find it unbelievable that a 'civie' could outshoot a sniper?

I don't . I simply said I didn't believe they wouldnt get schooled.

Again read and absorb what you want.
Marksmanship is 10% of the role but did I say they were not good at it.
To be fair it was the most practiced but least important skill.
But you guys know everything about both sides so I will leave yas to it.




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Originally Posted by R93

FFS! Talk about puttting words into people mouths.

I am out.

You legends should all be recruited by our Army coz your all such awesome fucking shots, way better than anyone in the military because someone says they seen a few shoot once. Awesome sample size there. A few days or a week tops?

Amazing that they were allowed in somebody's paddock with issue weapons.



Forgive me, I spent nearly 20 years in the job and thought it nieve to make the claim that all snipers would be schooled by a bunch of dabblers in a paddock.

A lot of our badged guys have competed internationally against the best equipped armies in the world and have won shitloads of accolades and medals.

How many lead singers at Tobys shoot have international medals? None?
But would if they could eh?









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Originally Posted by R93

I don't . I simply said I didn't believe they wouldnt get schooled.

Again read and absorb what you want.
Marksmanship is 10% of the role but did I say they were not good at it.
To be fair it was the most practiced but least important skill.
But you guys know everything about both sides so I will leave yas to it.




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Only a couple of peoples abilities at shooting gongs in a casual environment were mentioned. You screwed the rest of the story around all by yourself.