Thread: Permit to Procure - Serialised components vs complete firearms.

Up until now, whenever I have a firearm cited to get a permit signed, I have stripped it down to just the serialised component plus whatever I can't get off without specialised tools. I would then take that to the AO and have it cited, for the purpose of being discrete.

Today I took my new NEA-25 to the Auckland Central station to have the firearm cited and my permit to procure signed. As per the usual I had removed all the components I could and had only the serialized components. I was immediately told by the AO that this was unacceptable and that I needed to present an entire firearm for citing in order to have my permit signed. I questioned this, asking what would happen if I had only bought a serialised lower with no other components? Her reply was that "You wouldn't have been given a permit for a gun unless it was for an entire gun." She then went on to say that lots of people with "AK-15s or whatever they are" are bringing in "just the little bit". She then, after conferencing with some colleagues behind closed doors, agreed to sign my permit.

Has anyone else run into this? Is this a new policy? I called Kevin on the shore to check and he had a rather non-committal answer that "they weren't technically wrong".

Sounds a bit odd. They might be worried about people bringing in the whole firearm, which has already been modified to E

Took my S&W and Colt lowers only into Auckland Central earlier this year, they read the serial number and processed it no problems.

Maybe AO was just having a bad day. They're human, like shooters, and it happens.

I've always presented the entire firearm.

Had the same a year or so ago when putting a stripped a cat lower on to e. AO said they wanted to see a complete firearm. Went back with the assembled rifle. Still wouldn't accept it because I didn't bring the magazine.FFS! Third visit and finally the AO was happy.

I agree with the AO's stance. It's a bit like some rocking on up with borrowed wheels for a wof on their ute, passing the inspection, then swapping back to stuffed treads. Although the intention to be discrete is commendable, perhaps all parts could be taken in, so at inspection, full assembly is an option. There appears to be more and more 'internal' accountability these days I suggest.

I agree with the AO's stance. It's a bit like some rocking on up with borrowed wheels for a wof on their ute, passing the inspection, then swapping back to stuffed treads. Although the intention to be discrete is commendable, perhaps all parts could be taken in, so at inspection, full assembly is an option. There appears to be more and more 'internal' accountability these days I suggest.

Originally Posted by Ingrid 51

I agree with the AO's stance. It's a bit like some rocking on up with borrowed wheels for a wof on their ute, passing the inspection, then swapping back to stuffed treads. Although the intention to be discrete is commendable, perhaps all parts could be taken in, so at inspection, full assembly is an option. There appears to be more and more 'internal' accountability these days I suggest.

It's the features of the lower that are regulated, nothing else (apart from the obvious barrel length).

Originally Posted by Ingrid 51

I agree with the AO's stance. It's a bit like some rocking on up with borrowed wheels for a wof on their ute, passing the inspection, then swapping back to stuffed treads. Although the intention to be discrete is commendable, perhaps all parts could be taken in, so at inspection, full assembly is an option. There appears to be more and more 'internal' accountability these days I suggest.

How does it stop you from changing anything in any case?

Originally Posted by Kscott

Sounds a bit odd. They might be worried about people bringing in the whole firearm, which has already been modified to E

Took my S&W and Colt lowers only into Auckland Central earlier this year, they read the serial number and processed it no problems.

Maybe AO was just having a bad day. They're human, like shooters, and it happens.

Interestingly enough, I was required to convert my AR's to E-cat and show them in the config that they were going to be in as an E-cat. (As if I wasn't legally allowed to change their config at any point afterwards)
I told her that for starters I just want to use larger capacity magazines as I couldn't afford to upgrade stock and everything straight away, but that wasn't good enough.
I ended up borrowing a stock and buying another to please.

That's odd, it's having the firearm in its endorsed state before endorsement is approved. I was in the reverse boat, as I was upgrading them both the Colt and S&W to E, I had to present the firearms in their current legal A state, then get approval via the 67X. AO specifically spoke about it being in that order otherwise I'd be in trouble. We are supposed to present them for inspection after the application has gone through (this was earlier this year).

I went into central yesterday, same thing. Went home and got an upper and an a2 stock and a parts kit. Back to central station, rough assembly on a table in an interview room and a photo and she was happy. Quite classic as it was a 223 upper on a dedicated 9mm lower as I haven't got my barrel yet, she didn't notice at all. Said when I'd concerted it to its E configuration I HAD to email her a photo of it (fuck knows why).

A) it's a ridiculous requirement

B) they clearly have no fucken clue what they're looking at, so why have the requirement at all?

C) a photo? Why? Should I even bother?

D) who is driving this bullshit?

Originally Posted by Kscott

That's odd, it's having the firearm in its endorsed state before endorsement is approved. I was in the reverse boat, as I was upgrading them both the Colt and S&W to E, I had to present the firearms in their current legal A state, then get approval via the 67X. AO specifically spoke about it being in that order otherwise I'd be in trouble. We are supposed to present them for inspection after the application has gone through (this was earlier this year).

Yup, that's right, my AO was just like, oh don't be silly, you're not going to get into trouble for it.
What could I do?

Originally Posted by Tommy

I went into central yesterday, same thing. Went home and got an upper and an a2 stock and a parts kit. Back to central station, rough assembly on a table in an interview room and a photo and she was happy. Quite classic as it was a 223 upper on a dedicated 9mm lower as I haven't got my barrel yet, she didn't notice at all. Said when I'd concerted it to its E configuration I HAD to email her a photo of it (fuck knows why).

A) it's a ridiculous requirement

B) they clearly have no fucken clue what they're looking at, so why have the requirement at all?

C) a photo? Why? Should I even bother?

D) who is driving this bullshit?

Take a photo of it in a completely different e cat config. You have no requirement to keep it in that exact config for any period of time.
Even take a photo of a different gun

Wonder if I remove the floor plate on my swede, chuck a glock mag up it and send a photo of that in hahaha

Thats really fucked up Jexla. A dealer lost his license because one of his customers did something similar to what they asked you to do.

Originally Posted by Beavis

Thats really fucked up Jexla. A dealer lost his license because one of his customers did something similar to what they asked you to do.

But how?? If it's not a requirement, how would the guy lose his ticket for something someone else did?

Edit: duh misunderstood. Thought you were referring to him suggesting a photo of a different rifle was sent in.