Thread: Police at it again

So I rang my AO today to see what the go was importing parts and no worries at all, he just confirmed the parts weren't for and e-cat, went through the list of prohibited parts then told me to go ahead and order it, said customs would hold it and just ring him when they have it to sort it out.

Maybe I have one of the good ones.

Originally Posted by Gloves

So I rang my AO today to see what the go was importing parts and no worries at all, he just confirmed the parts weren't for and e-cat, went through the list of prohibited parts then told me to go ahead and order it, said customs would hold it and just ring him when they have it to sort it out.

Maybe I have one of the good ones.

What are the prohibited parts?

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Originally Posted by Russian 22.

What are the prohibited parts?

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Just the usual for an a-cat semi, no freestanding pistol grips, no collapsible stocks, no mags over 7rds, no flash hider... no different from before except might take longer to get with customs clearance...

Police approach to MSSA* classification remains unchanged
[17 July 2018] In order to provide clarity for recent enquires we are reissuing the following information from mid-2017.

In response to recent information being circulated within the firearms community regarding the classification of A-category firearms – and in particular AR15 type semi-automatic firearms – Police confirms that the classification and rules regarding the importation of these weapons has not changed. (*MSSA, Military Style Semi-Automatic)

Specifically:

People can still continue to apply to import A-category firearms as they always have – no special reasons are required. This classification and its interpretation by Police has not changed, despite what has been circulated through social media.
28,000 A-category firearms were imported into New Zealand in 2016 and these will continue to be imported in 2017 under the same classification rules.
There has been no re-classification of AR15 type semi-automatic weapons nor has Police made any proposal – an individual or a dealer can still continue to apply to import these weapons. These continue to be treated as an either an A-category or an E-category firearm depending on the individual specifications of the firearm.
The Arms Act has always required importer to obtain a permit to bring in “parts” of firearms to New Zealand and a special reason is required to import MSSA parts. To deliver on the intent of the Act Police needs to consider whether the application relates to a part of a MSSA or part of an A category firearm. Where it is possible that the part could be either for an A category or an E category firearm Police is required to seek further clarification about the intended use of the part.
Police cannot change the classification of firearms by making an Order-in-Council. Any such proposal would need to be approved by Cabinet and be signed by the Governor-General
Police continues to administer the Arms Act and remains committed to working with the firearms community to promote the safe use and management of firearms. Anyone with questions regarding Police’s approach to firearms licensing or management is encouraged to contact us directly or through the Firearms Community Advisory Forum.
Police’s first priority remains the safe, secure and lawful use of firearms and effective administration of the Arms Act as part of our commitment to safer communities together.



Not sure if that's here somewhere or not but it clears up a few things.

Originally Posted by Gloves

Police approach to MSSA* classification remains unchanged
[17 July 2018] In order to provide clarity for recent enquires we are reissuing the following information from mid-2017.

In response to recent information being circulated within the firearms community regarding the classification of A-category firearms – and in particular AR15 type semi-automatic firearms – Police confirms that the classification and rules regarding the importation of these weapons has not changed. (*MSSA, Military Style Semi-Automatic)

Specifically:

People can still continue to apply to import A-category firearms as they always have – no special reasons are required. This classification and its interpretation by Police has not changed, despite what has been circulated through social media.
28,000 A-category firearms were imported into New Zealand in 2016 and these will continue to be imported in 2017 under the same classification rules.
There has been no re-classification of AR15 type semi-automatic weapons nor has Police made any proposal – an individual or a dealer can still continue to apply to import these weapons. These continue to be treated as an either an A-category or an E-category firearm depending on the individual specifications of the firearm.
The Arms Act has always required importer to obtain a permit to bring in “parts” of firearms to New Zealand and a special reason is required to import MSSA parts. To deliver on the intent of the Act Police needs to consider whether the application relates to a part of a MSSA or part of an A category firearm. Where it is possible that the part could be either for an A category or an E category firearm Police is required to seek further clarification about the intended use of the part.
Police cannot change the classification of firearms by making an Order-in-Council. Any such proposal would need to be approved by Cabinet and be signed by the Governor-General
Police continues to administer the Arms Act and remains committed to working with the firearms community to promote the safe use and management of firearms. Anyone with questions regarding Police’s approach to firearms licensing or management is encouraged to contact us directly or through the Firearms Community Advisory Forum.
Police’s first priority remains the safe, secure and lawful use of firearms and effective administration of the Arms Act as part of our commitment to safer communities together.



Not sure if that's here somewhere or not but it clears up a few things.

Clears up NOTHING.

Originally Posted by Jexla

Clears up NOTHING.

I disagree,
". To deliver on the intent of the Act Police needs to consider whether the application relates to a part of a MSSA or part of an A category firearm. Where it is possible that the part could be either for an A category or an E category firearm Police is required to seek further clarification about the intended use of the part." As I read that, and also confirmed by AO all they want to do is make sure that incoming parts are for acat rifles.. it's not much extra effort, yes it's a bit annoying but all the fuss is over a little bit of paper that takes 5 minutes to fill out..

I had the complete opposite today when I rang my AO - Turns out I need an import permit for a buffer spring, detents and magazine springs. What a joke.

Apparently this has been in the works for some months and is referred from "case law" and to stop "grey guns" being created out of MSSA parts.

Have they started implementing this policy on other semi autos now or are they solely targeting ARs?

Originally Posted by Chilli_Dog

Have they started implementing this policy on other semi autos now or are they solely targeting ARs?

Just AR's as far as I am aware

A special reason is required for my detents, buffer spring and magazine springs.

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

A special reason is required for my detents, buffer spring and magazine springs.

Your reason should be...I am a law abiding firearms owner, I am legally allowed to own this rifle, and I need these parts to repair it. Can't get much straighter than that?

And that's what it'll be ^^^

Thats crap oi......

Originally Posted by 7mmTom

Thats crap oi......

Me?

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Essentially they are saying, this is what the law says, but, yea na it actually means this.