Thread: The secondhand rifle market

Originally Posted by 25/08 IMP

Tikka T3 / T3x - $1100-1200

Sako 85 - $ 2000-$2600

Howa 1500 (including mini-action) - $700-$900

Browning X-Bolt - $800-1100

Ruger American - $800-$1000

Bergara B14 - $900 -$1100

At a rough guess depends on caliber and condition

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In response to the OPs original question, I broadly agree with these prices.

Originally Posted by gimp

the problem is that "under an inch" is utterly meaningless unless specified for how many shots, how frequently


wouldn't it be nice if everyone used a clear consistent and meaningful measure of precision so we could trust statements about how well a rifle for sale shoots? e.g. 10rd groups

It wouldn't stop groups being edited. Of all the guns ive brought off here and thats a fair few they have all meet the accuracy claims of the seller with there chosen group sizes whatever that may be.


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Originally Posted by buzzmann

Not with me I’ve sold way to many good guns


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And the real good guns dont even get to the for sale threads theres always 5 or 6 guys that if you message something sells without the hassle of a listing.
Buzz is my first port of call

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Originally Posted by BRADS

And the real good guns dont even get to the for sale threads theres always 5 or 6 guys that if you message something sells without the hassle of a listing.
Buzz is my first port of call

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Bang on if I know Buzz has brought something I might like I always message him to put my name down for when the time comes to selling it.

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Originally Posted by woods223

Really, are there that many ‘tin foil hat’ people out there that it’s affecting firearms prices ? I don’t know a single person that’s held of registering even though they want to buy/sell a firearm and I interact with a lot of shooters. There’s still a few out there that don’t know about registration requirements but those that do realise registration isn’t going away in a hurry. I don’t believe Nicole is going to get it reversed with the lack of support from her own coalition partners and I doubt any future government is going to show much appetite to. Perhaps prices are depressed because of lack of money flowing around, maybe it’s because people have come to realise they’re getting rorted by high price expectations and prices are stabilising at true values. Firearms are no different to any other commodity, the moment a new one leaves the shop it devalues by 30-50% unless an individual really wants it and is prepared to pay the ‘inflated’ prices that some sellers expect to achieve. Just my 2c.

I wouldn't call it tinfoil hat....I know of a lot of them (myself included) that disagree with the register. I will not break the rules and refuse, but it is within my rights to avoid registering until I have to. When I have to I will. Yes, it means I will have to not buy or sell firearms in the meantime, but I have other interests as well so I have chosen to focus more on those for the meantime. As far as impacting shops etc, there are other things in gunshops I can buy- Instead of buying a cheap 2nd hand rifle, I got a couple of my current ones suppressed (finally...) And my other gear has seen additions and improvements. (Knives, and processing gear, range finder and Binos- new spotter..)

I agree that I doubt Act will be able to get ridof it any time soon. Getting rid of it would require a public understanding of the absolute waste of time and money it really is...but most simply dont care enough to listen until it affects them directly...If a MP stood up and said its going to cost $100m to run then no one will care, if they stood up and said "we are going to tax EVERY person $1 per week as an additional tax to pay for it there would be an uproar from the 2.5m people who actually earn their money....But that $1 per week is coming from the same budget that pays Drs , Nurses and teachers...so they protest that they are not getting paid enough but dont say a word about what the previous Govt pissed the money away on......(rant oover...)


There is some truth to both of your resons for lower prices though- I agree there is less surplus cash for spending and add the tighter budget and people will look more closely at what they should expect to pay for 2nd hand firearms....I will say that most of the second hand shooters I have bought were not because they were accurate or not, but because they were something I wanted to own and shoot - beauty, or different or just desirable in my eyes) If they were accurate, fine, if not- no so worried. I have a couple of accurate ones I have accumulated so if I want accuracy then I know what I need and which rifle is good enough for that task. When I have sold them, I have explained why I am selling them (usually show them what I had already bought to replace it....)

Originally Posted by Bagheera

The ones Ive seen really struggling to sell are the Sakos with swapped stocks, barrels and stuff.

Agreed


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Originally Posted by gimp

A single 10rd group shown would be good evidence of how a rifle can be expected to perform with that particular ammunition. Much better than vague "under an inch" claims

but in reality...your still relying on trust that seller isnt telling porkies...I can make all my rifles shoot a ten shot group under an inch...100% guarantee I can do it....at five yards with rifle held in vice.... the photo of said group would be no more reliable than sellers word that it will do X size at X range....either your a man of your word...or your not worth a pinch of pony pooh. if after purchase said rifle wont live up to said claims..your still relying on the integrity of seller to either,proove it will do it,take it back,or refund some $$$$......

Originally Posted by 199p

tikka definitely new price plus 15%

if this was true...why are people not buying rifles..and flicking them onwards to make profit...or are they???

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

but in reality...your still relying on trust that seller isnt telling porkies...I can make all my rifles shoot a ten shot group under an inch...100% guarantee I can do it....at five yards with rifle held in vice.... the photo of said group would be no more reliable than sellers word that it will do X size at X range....either your a man of your word...or your not worth a pinch of pony pooh. if after purchase said rifle wont live up to said claims..your still relying on the integrity of seller to either,proove it will do it,take it back,or refund some $$$$......

One claim, if true, means something. The other claim, even if true, is utterly meaningless

There is always an element of trust involved. On here that can be measured I guess through post history and any previous personal dealings. And under the current market the seller pitching the price into a reasonable price bracket is a good indicator. 25 IMP's ball park pricing looks about right to me.

There are many rock solid members on here though who I would absolutely buy a rifle off. If they say it shoots, it will shoot.

Originally Posted by gimp

One claim, if true, means something. The other claim, even if true, is utterly meaningless

if the other claim has X = under inch and other X= 1==yards.......... the truth of not of the matter still remains an unknown quantity.

Originally Posted by Tahr

There is always an element of trust involved. On here that can be measured I guess through post history and any previous personal dealings. And under the current market the seller pitching the price into a reasonable price bracket is a good indicator. 25 IMP's ball park pricing looks about right to me.

There are many rock solid members on here though who I would absolutely buy a rifle off. If they say it shoots, it will shoot.

And this is the reason I purchased my rifle from the previous forum many years ago, Now my mate's looking and I'm advising him to buy via this forum. Fair price and trustworthy sellers.

Many thanks to all you GC's

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

if the other claim has X = under inch and other X= 1==yards.......... the truth of not of the matter still remains an unknown quantity.

And it also comes down to the shooter.
Not every shooter can shoot a 10 shot MOA group even if the rifle is capable.


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Originally Posted by C7A1

Thr only reason the market down is because not everyone wants to register.
Which makes a buys market as thd ones that are sitting, waiting will end up having to do it. Meanwhile gunshops close, staff loosing jobs.get over it and get shooting.

I have no faith whatsoever in the security of the register. I will sign up when I have to, and not before.

Made sure my gear was in order and would see me through a few years. The gunshops did very well out of me then, and I continue to buy clothing, knives, packs, cleaning stuff etc.

Originally Posted by 25/08 IMP

And it also comes down to the shooter.
Not every shooter can shoot a 10 shot MOA group even if the rifle is capable.
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^^^ This is bang on. 10 shot groups are a good reflection of precision of “ the shooting platform “ that includes the shooter, rifle, ammunition, optics, bipod etc.