Thread: The secondhand rifle market

There is always an element of trust involved. On here that can be measured I guess through post history and any previous personal dealings. And under the current market the seller pitching the price into a reasonable price bracket is a good indicator. 25 IMP's ball park pricing looks about right to me.

There are many rock solid members on here though who I would absolutely buy a rifle off. If they say it shoots, it will shoot.

Originally Posted by Tahr

There is always an element of trust involved. On here that can be measured I guess through post history and any previous personal dealings. And under the current market the seller pitching the price into a reasonable price bracket is a good indicator. 25 IMP's ball park pricing looks about right to me.

There are many rock solid members on here though who I would absolutely buy a rifle off. If they say it shoots, it will shoot.

And this is the reason I purchased my rifle from the previous forum many years ago, Now my mate's looking and I'm advising him to buy via this forum. Fair price and trustworthy sellers.

Many thanks to all you GC's

Meanwhile there never been so many thermal scopes sold and There have also never been so many deer since maybe the 60(?).

Originally Posted by Friwi

Meanwhile there never been so many thermal scopes sold and There have also never been so many deer since maybe the 60(?).

And the second hand market for thermals is holding up for some reason. If anything should devalue 50% at purchase its thermals/electronics. New prices coming down. New tech arriving all of the time. New is consistently cheaper/better.
Older stuff is "good enough" but only at a discounted price.

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I agree with the delay to register for slightly different reasons

I ended up registering because there was a rifle that I really wanted to have more than I gave a shit about registering which shows how unprincipled and shallow I am

In my ideal world almost no-one would register until the last possible moment not just because I/and others don't trust these idiots with our information but mainly as a legal protest to show these arseheads how much many of us despise their poorly run register

Naturally it doesn't work that way but I actually applaud those who have chosen to <ahem> stick to their guns

The whole thing is a total waste of time and money

Originally Posted by 308

I ended up registering because there was a rifle that I really wanted to have more than I gave a shit about registering which shows how unprincipled and shallow I am

That cut me deep, I did the same thing. So many bargains around at the moment...

The only true reflection of 'value' comes through auction (hammer price, not after tax and 'fees') so I do appreciate that TardMe still allows rifle auctions that are live and viewable from anywhere in the world.

Keep in mind that someone might pay over the odds for a quirk that few others spot or appreciate. Such as a certain serial number or first/last year of production etc.

Howa barrel quality gone to shit a while back. Suspect the steel they are using is sub par (owner of a couple).

New Sako is Tikka in different clothes with less utility. S20 and Sako90 are nothing special. Mount choices are usually worse and more expensive. Old Sako (L series especially) are getting thin on the ground and sellers usually want too much money for a rifle which is in poor condition and not particularly desirable. A few Finnwolf left in the UK but never seen one in person let alone for sale.

T3 actions all quite broken in by now unless it was a safe queen. I've seen more rifles scrapped due to no/lack of maintenance (owner stupidity). Like leaving silencer on the end of the barrel long after firing, never stripping the bolt or greasing the locking lugs. Personally avoid the T3 as they have smaller ejection ports and some lack the 'CTR cut' that is present on all T3x.

T3x are good rifle but overpriced, especially in the UK. This is a rifle that can be obtained for $550ish on sale/special in the USA and sells new for around £1,500+ in the UK!

GMK (importer) is having a laugh as usual and Beretta is no doubt responsible too.

The American rifled (Ruger, Remington, Savage etc) either have great or terrible resale value. A mint Remington Sendero or Savage FT-R will still be over £1k as the attributes and greater level of finish are recognised. Ruger American never took off here despite US popularity. Priced too high and no brand recognition, despite having some features common to a Sako/T3 that make them desirable (3 lug bolt with replaceable handle, some good aftermarket stocks available).

So if I was selling my 223 Tikka and used this 20 shot group as a vouch for its accuracy what would buyers think? Would it be more or less persuasive than a 3 shot clover leaf?

Originally Posted by Tahr

So if I was selling my 223 Tikka and used this 20 shot group as a vouch for its accuracy what would buyers think? Would it be more or less persuasive than a 3 shot clover leaf?

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For me yes gives a more realistic expectation.

I always thought posting groups as pointless as we all tend to "cherry pick" the best ones, and for all anyone knows they could have been shot at 10 yards......human nature being what it it these days sadly

Originally Posted by Tahr

So if I was selling my 223 Tikka and used this 20 shot group as a vouch for its accuracy what would buyers think? Would it be more or less persuasive than a 3 shot clover leaf?

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If I trust that the seller has integrity, this tells me a lot more than a 3 shot cloverleaf.

If I don't trust that the seller has integrity, neither tells me anything, and I should avoid the purchase

Originally Posted by Tahr

So if I was selling my 223 Tikka and used this 20 shot group as a vouch for its accuracy what would buyers think? Would it be more or less persuasive than a 3 shot clover leaf?

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Yes, there's a high probability that your 3 shot clover leaf group would fall in the main impact point of that group. I'd be happy with either measure.

What percentage of shooters actually need a rifle that puts 10,20,or 30 shots under an inch at a hundred, verses one that puts 3 shots in an inch at a hundred, as long as the three are in the same place the last three were?

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

What percentage of shooters actually need a rifle that puts 10,20,or 30 shots under an inch at a hundred, verses one that puts 3 shots in an inch at a hundred, as long as the three are in the same place the last three were?

Very few.

the whole 10/20 shot group thing is 90% bullshit based on some people watching a youtube video and now believing they understand statistics.

Originally Posted by STC

Very few.

the whole 10/20 shot group thing is 90% bullshit based on some people watching a youtube video and now believing they understand statistics.

Please show us your no doubt penetrating analysis of some data to demonstrate the working behind this opinion



You could start a thread

Originally Posted by gimp

Please show us your no doubt penetrating analysis of some data to demonstrate the working behind this opinion



You could start a thread

already discussed this, no point further trying to reason with you.