Thread: Seeking feedback about the NZ rifle scope market/product offerings

Dare I say it & get booed off the page. "Vortex" Razor HD LHT 4.5 - 22 x 50 ffp / mrad with a sweet XLR -2 reticle illuminated, weight 21.7oz

Originally Posted by flock

Dare I say it & get booed off the page. "Vortex" Razor HD LHT 4.5 - 22 x 50 ffp / mrad with a sweet XLR -2 reticle illuminated, weight 21.7oz

Reportedly entirely unable to hold a zero. It would be great to get some objective data on that.

Originally Posted by gimp

Reportedly entirely unable to hold a zero. It would be great to get some objective data on that.

“Vortex, go and stand next to Leupold!”

Originally Posted by Tahr

“Vortex, go and stand next to Leupold!”

Very much so

There's a thread where anyone who has one can go and test it properly and provide that data. I'd appreciate it if someone did

Originally Posted by flock

Dare I say it & get booed off the page. "Vortex" Razor HD LHT 4.5 - 22 x 50 ffp / mrad with a sweet XLR -2 reticle illuminated, weight 21.7oz

Ladder test on Scope showed at 10 Mrad scope was 2.5 clicks off, or 25mm under the mark 10 Mrad. 10 Mrad gets me 600 meters zero which is aways past hunting with a 223.

Originally Posted by flock

Ladder test on Scope showed at 10 Mrad scope was 2.5 clicks off, or 25mm under the mark 10 Mrad. 10 Mrad gets me 600 meters zero which is aways past hunting with a 223.

Just realised my scope is calibrated at .097 a click. Strelok automatically set at .100 so there is my 25/30 mm over 10 mrad, so scope is tracking well & returns to zero.

Mine seems alright, on a savage 110 light, using sabby components, probably firing to quick for such a skinny barrel. half inch. Be good to put onb something I know shoots my 308 but thats wearing a Z5 happy with that.

I had a 4-16 razor for a while. Worse low light ability than the Leupold vx3 Id replaced with it. It was an early one I bought in from the states though, so maybe they have improved in that regard.

Originally Posted by whanahuia

I had a 4-16 razor for a while. Worse low light ability than the Leupold vx3 Id replaced with it. It was an early one I bought in from the states though, so maybe they have improved in that regard.

4-16 would most likely be a lower class Viper, I dont think they made a 4-16 razor.

Originally Posted by gimp

Reportedly entirely unable to hold a zero. It would be great to get some objective data on that.

If you are thinking of the rockslide guy I think just about all scopes failed aside from swafa , nightforce and some trijicon. There's a significant amount of skepticism from many with his testing. There is also a thread on long range only claiming March , swaro and others also consistently failed to hold zero.

Iv had a couple of the older Vortex HDLH for several years now with no issues and a 3-15 LHT for a couple, its going well. .

Originally Posted by sneeze

4-16 would most likely be a lower class Viper, I dont think they made a 4-16 razor.



If you are thinking of the rockslide guy I think just about all scopes failed aside from swafa , nightforce and some trijicon. There's a significant amount of skepticism from many with his testing. There is also a thread on long range only claiming March , swaro and others also consistently failed to hold zero.

Iv had a couple of the older Vortex HDLH for several years now with no issues and a 3-15 LHT for a couple, its going well. .

Yes, I'm skeptical of the guy from Rokslide too. Unfortunately I'm also skeptical of everyone else. It turns out there's little sensible evidence available to support any claims anyone makes, and you have to assume that at best they're mis-led and at worst intentionally misleading. Hence, I'm running a "don't tell me, show me" policy on everything. Very few people seem to be keen to really test their beliefs.

Originally Posted by gimp

Yes, I'm skeptical of the guy from Rokslide too. Unfortunately I'm also skeptical of everyone else. It turns out there's little sensible evidence available to support any claims anyone makes, and you have to assume that at best they're mis-led and at worst intentionally misleading. Hence, I'm running a "don't tell me, show me" policy on everything. Very few people seem to be keen to really test their beliefs.

I doubt I will be any different, maybe miss led but happy in my missledness. I find delving into data makes my eyes glaze over and sucks the fun out of most things. I also apparently havn't zeroed my rifles correctly so anything I could offer now would be of no scientific value.

Originally Posted by sneeze

I doubt I will be any different, maybe miss led but happy in my missledness. I find delving into data makes my eyes glaze over and sucks the fun out of most things. I also apparently havn't zeroed my rifles correctly so anything I could offer now would be of no scientific value.

I wouldn't say you've done anything correctly or incorrectly, I'd say that depending on what statements you wish to make, you may or may not have enough information available to make those statements accurately. I can't say that I've seen any, so I have to err to the cautious side

Originally Posted by sneeze

4-16 would most likely be a lower class Viper, I dont think they made a 4-16 razor.



If you are thinking of the rockslide guy I think just about all scopes failed aside from swafa , nightforce and some trijicon. There's a significant amount of skepticism from many with his testing. There is also a thread on long range only claiming March , swaro and others also consistently failed to hold zero.

Iv had a couple of the older Vortex HDLH for several years now with no issues and a 3-15 LHT for a couple, its going well. .

Hmm, that's weird. I was positive it was a razor, but on checking I can't find any reference too 4-16 for that model, so you are probably correct.

I have found my March F to be very reliable at holding zero, but I will provide data from testing that.

I wouldn't be surprised if Swarovski didn't.

With the definition of holding zero being "actually holding zero within 1 click of adjustment, when zero is established with a meaningfully precise sample size"

On Saturday I dropped my 257R and Tract off the ute tail gate - scope first onto the gravel. Thats quite a drop test. I will test the zero soon, but it will only be 3 shots. Will post a pic.
Gimp, didn't you have a Leupold Mk something that didn't track vertically from new?