Thread: Seeking feedback about the NZ rifle scope market/product offerings

Originally Posted by sneeze

I wish to state that I generally enjoy shooting stuff and killing things and that I mostly hit what I'm aiming at. I have no information to support this statement.

No argument here

For me the delta titanium hd 4-24 almost gets it, the illuminated reticle with center dot is good and the low light performance isn't bad for its price range, to make it tops for me though would be a 2-18 power range and a locking elevation turret, keep the capped widage, this would be the all rounder for the average kiwi. Bush low mag to distance dial me in. I know all the luepold lovers out there will say we have it but not sub 2k,

Originally Posted by sneeze

4-16 would most likely be a lower class Viper, I dont think they made a 4-16 razor.



If you are thinking of the rockslide guy I think just about all scopes failed aside from swafa , nightforce and some trijicon. There's a significant amount of skepticism from many with his testing. There is also a thread on long range only claiming March , swaro and others also consistently failed to hold zero.

Iv had a couple of the older Vortex HDLH for several years now with no issues and a 3-15 LHT for a couple, its going well. .

Hmm, that's weird. I was positive it was a razor, but on checking I can't find any reference too 4-16 for that model, so you are probably correct.

Originally Posted by Tahr

On Saturday I dropped my 257R and Tract off the ute tail gate - scope first onto the gravel. Thats quite a drop test. I will test the zero soon, but it will only be 3 shots. Will post a pic.
Gimp, didn't you have a Leupold Mk something that didn't track vertically from new?

Tract Toric 2.5-15. Dropped off ute tail gate onto hard gravel. Elevation turret first with magazine facing up. Was sighted in 1.5” high and dead on for windage. Today:



Lots of variables, but still a poi shift.

Originally Posted by Tahr

On Saturday I dropped my 257R and Tract off the ute tail gate - scope first onto the gravel. Thats quite a drop test. I will test the zero soon, but it will only be 3 shots. Will post a pic.
Gimp, didn't you have a Leupold Mk something that didn't track vertically from new?

Tract Toric 2.5-15. Dropped off ute tail gate onto hard gravel. Elevation turret first with magazine facing up. Was sighted in 1.5” high and dead on for windage. Today:

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Lots of variables, but still a poi shift. Discount bottom group hold - different projectile but still usually shoots into the same 1” group as the top 2.

Originally Posted by Tahr

On Saturday I dropped my 257R and Tract off the ute tail gate - scope first onto the gravel. Thats quite a drop test. I will test the zero soon, but it will only be 3 shots. Will post a pic.
Gimp, didn't you have a Leupold Mk something that didn't track vertically from new?

Tract Toric 2.5-15. Dropped off ute tail gate onto hard gravel. Elevation turret first with magazine facing up. Was sighted in 1.5” high and dead on for windage. Today:

Attachment 268291

Lots of variables, but still a poi shift. Discount bottom hole - different projectile but still usually shoots into the same 1” group as the top 2.

Originally Posted by flock

Dare I say it & get booed off the page. "Vortex" Razor HD LHT 4.5 - 22 x 50 ffp / mrad with a sweet XLR -2 reticle illuminated, weight 21.7oz

Ladder test on Scope showed at 10 Mrad scope was 2.5 clicks off, or 25mm under the mark 10 Mrad. 10 Mrad gets me 600 meters zero which is aways past hunting with a 223.

2.5% ? That's quite high error - but depending on your test methodology you may have a lot of noise anyway - so it could be not quite so bad

As long as it is repeatable, it is not that big of an issue.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Tract Toric 2.5-15. Dropped off ute tail gate onto hard gravel. Elevation turret first with magazine facing up. Was sighted in 1.5” high and dead on for windage. Today:

Attachment 268291

Lots of variables, but still a poi shift. Discount bottom hole - different projectile but still usually shoots into the same 1” group as the top 2.

Definitely a lot of variables, so not necessarily he scope.

Definitely puts into perspective the benefits of drop testing/reliability testing. It's not that far fetched to drop your rifle in the feild, and knowing it'll stay zeroed is a nice piece of mind.

Of course any deer at 100yarda would still be dead, but with more and more people pushing shooting distances (often with smaller cartridges) all these errors add up.

Originally Posted by flock

Ladder test on Scope showed at 10 Mrad scope was 2.5 clicks off, or 25mm under the mark 10 Mrad. 10 Mrad gets me 600 meters zero which is aways past hunting with a 223.

Just realised my scope is calibrated at .097 a click. Strelok automatically set at .100 so there is my 25/30 mm over 10 mrad, so scope is tracking well & returns to zero.

At the moment a Leupold VX 3HD 4.5 -14 can be picked up for $499 US ( $840 NZ) in the US, but retails for around $ 1600 in New Zealand, which is $760 more. Seems like most hunters in New Zealand cannot afford high end scopes because of premium prices. That said i could have made a mistake with the Leupold models, and have grabbed the cat by the tail-end !

Leupold scopes seemed to have had a big price spike here. I'd never buy one new, at the latest asking prices.

Originally Posted by Beavis

Leupold scopes seemed to have had a big price spike here. I'd never buy one new, at the latest asking prices.

And nightforces come down heaps!

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Last week I fell heavily and ripped scope bases off rifle,the poor wee Leupold freedom 1-4 pigplex took the blow. I found screwdriver at vechile and put it back on and using eyeteometer bore sighted on tree base about hundy away.it looked near enough.got home and checked with collimeter/ boresighter and it was still dead on. I'm still aching in elbow a week later so it was a HARD fall/knock. Swapped out rings for a more robust set.