Swarovski EL Range 10x42 LRF +Tracking Assistant Binocular

Hi folks: just wanting to get some feedback on the Swarovski EL Range 10x42 LRF +Tracking Assistant Binocular.

Upgrading from an old Bushnell which finally crapped out when I dropped it .

Want to get a bino + range finder combo. Mainly used for deer hunting. The tracking feature seems to be pretty useful as well.

Have read a few reviews online and this seems to be the one to get at this price bracket . Can’t seem to find any issues at all(other than the high $$$)

Also not sure how negotiable the price is from shops ) if this is a sensitive matter please PM me)

If any current owner can chip in any experience that will be much appreciated.

Thanks

Note the tacking assist only works if you are in cell range

Sorry thats not true you can still use it in the bino just not on the detailed phone

Damn that’s pretty useless then pretty much where you go there’s no cell range lol

I've got el range binos, must be too old for the tracking thing though.
They are excellent, replaced Leicas, which were also good, unless there was any mist or light fog, then they wouldn't range 200mtrs.
The Swaros don't seem to even notice the mist.
Would buy them again.

Just get what keltons got.
Sig6k.
Glass is fine unless you need wank factor with the Swarovski.

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Originally Posted by andyanimal31

Just get what keltons got.
Sig6k.
Glass is fine unless you need wank factor with the Swarovski.

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Whats the size like on the sig? mate has gpo's and they are huge

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Originally Posted by 199p

Whats the size like on the sig? mate has gpo's and they are huge

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I have the 3000bdx and I really rate those and the 6k are smaller and lighter

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The sigs are ity bity and brilliant i had the el range ta and dropped them claimed insurance and their were no el range ta available so got the 3000bdx in the mean time, long story short i ended up getting the 6k when that was availble not the swaros the 3000bdx is a hell of a bit of kit the onboard ballistics and range finder power is second to none

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Originally Posted by alanpyc

Damn that’s pretty useless then pretty much where you go there’s no cell range lol

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Yip dont let that be your selling point, I love the inbuilt ballistics of the sigs and the powerful rangefinder if i wanted euro glass again id run swaro binos and a sig rangefinder, for me its the correction read out upon ranging

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Originally Posted by alanpyc

Damn that’s pretty useless then pretty much where you go there’s no cell range lol

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Yip dont let that be your selling point, I love the inbuilt ballistics of the sigs and the powerful rangefinder if i wanted euro glass again id run swaro binos and a sig rangefinder, for me its the correction read out upon ranging

How do you find the glass quality in comparison? Between Sig and Swaro . Especially using it during low light setting ? This is probably my biggest concern.

never paid much attention to glass quality until I looked through a friends high end Leupold scope . thought my midrange vortex is doing fine until I witnessed the amount the light and colour that comes out of the leupold. Incredible

Personally I’d rather get a really good bino (despite paying more initially) . Kinda over the phase of buying lesser and having to sell and upgrade later on

Thanks for the advice above that was really helpful

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Originally Posted by alanpyc

How do you find the glass quality in comparison? Between Sig and Swaro . Especially using it during low light setting ? This is probably my biggest concern.

never paid much attention to glass quality until I looked through a friends high end Leupold scope . thought my midrange vortex is doing fine until I witnessed the amount the light and colour that comes out of the leupold. Incredible

Personally I’d rather get a really good bino (despite paying more initially) . Kinda over the phase of buying lesser and having to sell and upgrade later on

Thanks for the advice above that was really helpful

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Lol , to be fair most people do what you have done.
I always recommend a basic accurate rifle with what you don't spend on that put into mounts rings and glass.
Good glass and hardware youd getting to the 4k spend min these days.

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Originally Posted by Kelton

Yip dont let that be your selling point, I love the inbuilt ballistics of the sigs and the powerful rangefinder if i wanted euro glass again id run swaro binos and a sig rangefinder, for me its the correction read out upon ranging

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I have a pair of the 3000bdx and find the same, great to have glassing, ranging and solution all in one, cuts down on time spent doing all the admin before getting behind the rifle. The only annoying thing is that they dont come with lens covers (front or back). I've got some vortex ones that do a good job (gimme a pm if you get them and want deets) but doesnt make sense they're making a high quality optics without covers.

Ive also got a small Sig BDX rangefinder when I'm bush hunting but could spot something on a slip 300m+ away. Its 200g vs ~1kg so a decent weight and space saving. The good thing is that they both connect to the same SIG app have the same ballistic calculator and use the same solution

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Originally Posted by camenzie

I have a pair of the 3000bdx and find the same, great to have glassing, ranging and solution all in one, cuts down on time spent doing all the admin before getting behind the rifle. The only annoying thing is that they dont come with lens covers (front or back). I've got some vortex ones that do a good job (gimme a pm if you get them and want deets) but doesnt make sense they're making a high quality optics without covers.

Ive also got a small Sig BDX rangefinder when I'm bush hunting but could spot something on a slip 300m+ away. Its 200g vs ~1kg so a decent weight and space saving. The good thing is that they both connect to the same SIG app have the same ballistic calculator and use the same solution

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Yip I run the 1k sig rangefinder aswell brilliant i just have my binos in my twin needle harness they do gwt dusty but I never notice looking threw them

How do you find using Bino + range finder separately ? I guess for me in makes sense to have both consolidated into one. I have a Vortex range finder but the glass is no good . After spotting with bino it’s hard to relocate the target again especially in low light setting. I’m guessing the Sig1k will be better in that aspect.

Not sure how good the Swaro app is in terms of ranging on your phone.

Tbh I’d rather get a traditional bino without the electronic gimmicks. These features generally don’t last well over time

I run the sig all in one but I also have a 1kbdx that i carry around the farm on my knife belt for a just incase i use to run bino and range finder its not to bad but i do prefer all in one you genuinely cant beat the sigs for what they do they use applied ballistics i found on the swaros their wasnt enough data entry for my custom load to be reliable the sigs offer a validation feature which iv never had to use

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Originally Posted by Kelton

I run the sig all in one but I also have a 1kbdx that i carry around the farm on my knife belt for a just incase i use to run bino and range finder its not to bad but i do prefer all in one you genuinely cant beat the sigs for what they do they use applied ballistics i found on the swaros their wasnt enough data entry for my custom load to be reliable the sigs offer a validation feature which iv never had to use

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I see, that’s really good advice thanks for that will try and handle them to decide

I cant comment on the sig . Wouldn't even know what they look like . But I love my EL range swaros . Had Leica for years and years before. These things are next level for colour definition and the low light performance is phenomenal. I personally think the TA is gimmicky but that's me .
Get whatever floats your boat.

@Kelton is this them ?

https://cameralandny.com/shop/sig-sa...iation=3270325

Yup thats the buggers

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Yup thats the buggers

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Wouldn’t mind a look through a pair ….

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Originally Posted by Nathan F

Wouldn’t mind a look through a pair ….

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Their brilliant for me its the applied ballistics and range finder so so fast and accurate

I don’t use the ballistic function in my Swaro’s. Like Kelton said, it’s not an accurate enough ballistic profile for consistently accurate results. Cant say I have used the TA either although it does look bloody handy!

Maybe for a different perspective. I have had Swarovski binos since 1993. Only replaced them with 10 x 40 EL’s in 2015. My son now uses my old 8x30 SLC’s.
I also have a Leica range finder. The issue I have with combo glasses and range finders is the technology leaps and bounds happening. Just look at the Leica range finder models over the last 6 or 7 years. 1200, 1600, 2000, 2800 etc.
So my point is this. When you invest 3 to 4 k on glasses you are likely to have them for 20 years. What will the range finder technology be like then? I would rather simple update my range finder in the future not a combo. Just my 2 cents worth.
I am a Swaro fan. I also own 10x30 ELs and a BTX spotting scope.

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Originally Posted by Southcity

Maybe for a different perspective. I have had Swarovski binos since 1993. Only replaced them with 10 x 40 EL’s in 2015. My son now uses my old 8x30 SLC’s.
I also have a Leica range finder. The issue I have with combo glasses and range finders is the technology leaps and bounds happening. Just look at the Leica range finder models over the last 6 or 7 years. 1200, 1600, 2000, 2800 etc.
So my point is this. When you invest 3 to 4 k on glasses you are likely to have them for 20 years. What will the range finder technology be like then? I would rather simple update my range finder in the future not a combo. Just my 2 cents worth.
I am a Swaro fan. I also own 10x30 ELs and a BTX spotting scope.

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A very valid point on the technology. When I upgraded my leicas a year ago I replaced them with Kahles. Much cheaper great glass and functional etc. They lasted 3 weeks. Brought the swaros and sold the kahles. Why? I want the best glass possible. That’s number one for me as a hunter. If you can’t spot them you can’t shoot them. The rangefinder part is secondary. In 2005 when I started into LR shooting I had a handheld Leica rangefinder and some kahles binos. I definitely prefer the rangefinder in the binos rather than mucking around with more gear. As I’ve gotten older I like to just keep it simple. All I want to know is yards so for me the el range non ta was the logical move.
I can’t see much changing in my style of hunting in the next 20 years except for possibly getting lazier :thumbsup:

The reality is that the combo of a kestrel 5700 which pair to a range finder it's pretty much done technology wise for a while.
The base map system is the only really new technology coming out withswaro and sig doing it now.


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Originally Posted by Southcity

Maybe for a different perspective. I have had Swarovski binos since 1993. Only replaced them with 10 x 40 EL’s in 2015. My son now uses my old 8x30 SLC’s.
I also have a Leica range finder. The issue I have with combo glasses and range finders is the technology leaps and bounds happening. Just look at the Leica range finder models over the last 6 or 7 years. 1200, 1600, 2000, 2800 etc.
So my point is this. When you invest 3 to 4 k on glasses you are likely to have them for 20 years. What will the range finder technology be like then? I would rather simple update my range finder in the future not a combo. Just my 2 cents worth.
I am a Swaro fan. I also own 10x30 ELs and a BTX spotting scope.

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The technology is definitely moving quick but at the end of the day I just need to know how far away something is to +-5m and the solution. I thought about getting the SIG 6ks for the built in atmospheric data like @Kelton has but need a kestral for wind readings most days in NZ anyhow so stuck with the 3000s.

I pulled the trigger on some Swaro 10x 42 EL Range TA's a couple of years ago and I couldn't be happier. The quality of the glass on these is absolutely stunning and even after using them for a couple of years I still often find myself thinking about just how incredibly crisp and clear everything looks when viewing through the swaros.

My confidence and accuracy with longer range shooting is infinitely better with these binos. I fed my load (.270 145grain Hornady Precision Hunter) into the ballistic calculator function on the binos and when I range the target it provides me with the range (angle adjusted) AND an MOA adjustment. All I need to do then is adjust the MOA turret on my Swaroski Z5 scope and pull the trigger (Note the photo shows my old Leupold VX# Boone and Crocket rather than the Z5 - that was also a worthwhile upgrade). The only real guess work now becomes the wind adjustment. I've contemplated purchasing a kestrel wind reader but I just don't do enough long range shooting in wind to justify it.

I pulled off a great shot on a nanny Tahr at 770 meters with this system on a windless morning in the southern alps last year - it was pretty magic using the binos to find the animal, range the animal, produce a firing solution for the shot and then provide tracking assistance to help you find your kill.

I initially thought this was a gimmick but once you get the hang of it , it works perfectly. Don't worry about the other posts that suggest that it only works with cell coverage - that's not accurate. If you have cell coverage the Swaro app will give show you a satellite map of the area but you absolutely don't need this and I never bother toggling this on even if I am in coverage - all you need is the arrow to dhow you the direction and distance to your kill and you get this regardless of whether you have mobile coverage or not.

The only downside that I see to this unit is that it is quite heavy - as are most LFR Bino's. I also have some Swaro CL Pocket 8x25's and they are outstanding optically also but of course no LRF capability and you wouldn't want to glass for long periods with them given the limited eye relief and FOV etc.

Before I committed the $5k to these I tested the Leica's and Delta's - both nice units but Swaro was an easy decision for me. All the best for your purchase decision. Buy once, cry once I reckon - you will never regret buying Swaro.

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I recently brought a pair of lecia guide pro binos the new generation ballistic calculators built in are awesome saves having to get apps out for dope at longer ranges.
Very fast and ranges further than anyone shoots, see it being pretty future proof.

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Originally Posted by CandiedGold

I pulled the trigger on some Swaro 10x 42 EL Range TA's a couple of years ago and I couldn't be happier. The quality of the glass on these is absolutely stunning and even after using them for a couple of years I still often find myself thinking about just how incredibly crisp and clear everything looks when viewing through the swaros.

My confidence and accuracy with longer range shooting is infinitely better with these binos. I fed my load (.270 145grain Hornady Precision Hunter) into the ballistic calculator function on the binos and when I range the target it provides me with the range (angle adjusted) AND an MOA adjustment. All I need to do then is adjust the MOA turret on my Swaroski Z5 scope and pull the trigger (Note the photo shows my old Leupold VX# Boone and Crocket rather than the Z5 - that was also a worthwhile upgrade). The only real guess work now becomes the wind adjustment. I've contemplated purchasing a kestrel wind reader but I just don't do enough long range shooting in wind to justify it.

I pulled off a great shot on a nanny Tahr at 770 meters with this system on a windless morning in the southern alps last year - it was pretty magic using the binos to find the animal, range the animal, produce a firing solution for the shot and then provide tracking assistance to help you find your kill.

I initially thought this was a gimmick but once you get the hang of it , it works perfectly. Don't worry about the other posts that suggest that it only works with cell coverage - that's not accurate. If you have cell coverage the Swaro app will give show you a satellite map of the area but you absolutely don't need this and I never bother toggling this on even if I am in coverage - all you need is the arrow to dhow you the direction and distance to your kill and you get this regardless of whether you have mobile coverage or not.

The only downside that I see to this unit is that it is quite heavy - as are most LFR Bino's. I also have some Swaro CL Pocket 8x25's and they are outstanding optically also but of course no LRF capability and you wouldn't want to glass for long periods with them given the limited eye relief and FOV etc.

Before I committed the $5k to these I tested the Leica's and Delta's - both nice units but Swaro was an easy decision for me. All the best for your purchase decision. Buy once, cry once I reckon - you will never regret buying Swaro.

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Hey thank you very much for the detailed feedback and that’s a beautiful rifle you have right there!

Went handled the Swaro EL and the Leica equivalent on Sunday. The Swaro feels much lighter than the Leica so that’s a definite plus. Couldn’t really tell the difference between the glasses as they both look amazing and the images somehow seems more vibrant than real life.

Have ordered the Swaro and can’t wait to pick it up this Sunday. ( end up getting an orange one haha)

BTW how do you find the Z5 compared to Leupold? Atm I’m running a Leupold VX3 on the T3X. Got the VX3 because it’s compact and light. Eventually will upgrade this but needs to be something light weight.

I got the leica 3200.com and love them.
Everyone's eyes are different when looking though optics but found that compared to the swaro the leicas made the colors pop. The greens where brighter and the red deer definitely stood out on the hill.
The ballistic calculator on them has definitely stepped up my shooting. Once I had my rifle shooting into an inch at 300 yards I was able to dial out much further. My first trip out with them I dropped a Billy on the spot at 700 yards and a couple weeks ago I scored my longest kill on a goat at 930 yards. Stoked!
They don't have the tracking function but I don't need it as I have this guy.
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Love my El Range TA, stunning glass. Love the Bluetooth feature to seamlessly switch between loads.