Thread: Thermals. Whats the point of no return.

Originally Posted by Mathias

Yes, I'd say about 5k will get you started with new entry level equipment that will give you a good result. 4-5k would get you a good used upper level unit too, with added features like a 38 or 50mm lens for better FOV.

The best FOV (field of view) I have had was from a XP28 - the worst from a 50mm
FOV with these comes down to the base/start magnification not the aperture at the end.

If you want a locator that will pick up a Deer out to 1000m - but not need to count the hairs on its neck - you can pay 2500 for a top condition XQ30 V Lite or 3500 for a used XQ Helion prob a 28 or 38
New - well I would not recommend the Axion Key as I had 2 and both had issues and the viewing set up was crap
The Axion XM30 - maybe an option - but I have not tried one
PM me if you want to know of a couple that I know are for sale from contacts I have

Originally Posted by Sarvo

The best FOV (field of view) I have had was from a XP28 - the worst from a 50mm
FOV with these comes down to the base/start magnification not the aperture at the end.

True, however if you needed to locate a wounded animal in thick scrub or were hunting in closed bush, the bigger aperture will allow you a better FOV at close range. Something to consider when purchasing, what type of hunting and terrain you will be using it on.

The bigger aperture doesnt give you more fov, theres a bunch of other stuff going on. You can see that when comparing the thermion xm and xp line if you want an example of fov and aperture size.

Anyways ive got a set of accolades to sell. Xq38 is the model. Bought brand new at start of year and has probably 3 hours or less use on them at the mo. I upgraded to the xp50 so the xq is just gathering dust.

Originally Posted by Towely

The bigger aperture doesnt give you more fov, theres a bunch of other stuff going on. You can see that when comparing the thermion xm and xp line if you want an example of fov and aperture size.

Anyways ive got a set of accolades to sell. Xq38 is the model. Bought brand new at start of year and has probably 3 hours or less use on them at the mo. I upgraded to the xp50 so the xq is just gathering dust.

May I ask why you are selling them? Are the 38s just not good enough definition? That would be interesting to know.

Originally Posted by Mathias

True, however if you needed to locate a wounded animal in thick scrub or were hunting in closed bush, the bigger aperture will allow you a better FOV at close range. Something to consider when purchasing, what type of hunting and terrain you will be using it on.

Sorry Mathias - that is not correct - inside 50m the XQ50F for example starts on 4.1x - which is very strong and bugger all FOV (the XP50F is much better at 2.5x but at a price)
A XQ28F starts on 2.3x
A XP28F is the best as it starts on 1.4x

This might explain better than me

https://www.scottcountry.co.uk/news/...helion-models/

Originally Posted by Sarvo

Sorry Mathias - that is not correct - inside 50m the XQ50F for example starts on 4.1x - which is very strong and bugger all FOV (the XP50F is much better at 2.5x but at a price)
A XQ28F starts on 2.3x
A XP28F is the best as it starts on 1.4x

This might explain better than me

https://www.scottcountry.co.uk/news/...helion-models/

Sorry I was making reference to my own experience using an XP50 at 2.5x and the advice I got from a professional pest control worker that has both current Helion XP28 & XP50.

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Originally Posted by Mathias

Sorry I was making reference to my own experience using an XP50 at 2.5x and the advice I got from a professional pest control worker that has both current Helion XP28 & XP50.

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Yes but I have had both and FOV with XP28 is amazing diff to the XP50 - in close especially
ie: Possums up tree etc :-)

The XP50 though would be the ultimate over all if you have a good mix of terrain like farm etc
Myself however - I dont its all close in or looking down into crap regen