Thread: Thoughts on this rifle/deal? Remington700 7mm-08

Originally Posted by jpurdon

Hi all, looking to just get the opinion from a few forum members for this rifle/scope combo in the TradeMe link below

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketpl...5?bof=s4ksczCc

Its a 7mm-08 Remington 700 w/ Zeiss Terra 3x 3-9 (x42 maybe?). Guy is asking around $1300ish. I had previously been looking for a second hand Tikka in .270 but saw this and thought it was a reasonable deal on similar caliber. Just like to hear peoples opinion on the setup, potentially compared to a Tikka/.270.

Mainly hunting deer atm but looking to move into Tahr come Spring and keen to have a solid setup to be confident with. Hunting range would be max 400yd.

Cheers

It's got a J-lock bolt.

Avoid unless you want a rifle that could suddenly decide it no longer wants to fire after a wee bump. You can remove it by replacing the firing pin assembly (GreTan or, shock horror... PTG....) which would be 100 USD down the drain.

Stock looks crap too.

If buying a Rem, look for either a Stainless Action with HS Precision stock (avoid RR prefix receivers) or get something old like the 6mm Rem that @257weatherby has for sale.

Most of the quality Rem 700's or Model 7's were made during the time when bolts were still being made with cuts for the bolt locking safety, although this feature was deleted quite early on.

Originally Posted by caberslash

It's got a J-lock bolt.

Avoid unless you want a rifle that could suddenly decide it no longer wants to fire after a wee bump. You can remove it by replacing the firing pin assembly (GreTan or, shock horror... PTG....) which would be 100 USD down the drain.



Stock looks crap too.

If buying a Rem, look for either a Stainless Action with HS Precision stock (avoid RR prefix receivers) or get something old like the 6mm Rem that @257weatherby has for sale.

Most of the quality Rem 700's or Model 7's were made during the time when bolts were still being made with cuts for the bolt locking safety, although this feature was deleted quite early on.

Can you shed some light on the RR receiver chat not the first time iv herd it iv got a 700 RR####bla bla and it shoots 1 on top of the other with 168amax it’s bloody awsome has a trigger tech trigger

Originally Posted by Kelton

Can you shed some light on the RR receiver chat not the first time iv herd it iv got a 700 RR####bla bla and it shoots 1 on top of the other with 168amax it’s bloody awsome has a trigger tech trigger

Yeah same here. My RR 7mm RM is all good, even with the factory tube on it…

Originally Posted by Kelton

Can you shed some light on the RR receiver chat not the first time iv herd it iv got a 700 RR####bla bla and it shoots 1 on top of the other with 168amax it’s bloody awsome has a trigger tech trigger

https://www.longriflesinc.com/produc...rvice-for-m700

Having gone over about a dozen RR prefix actions, only 2 of them were close to having contact between the bolt handle and primary extraction cam, others plain missed.

To get a proper look you need to take the firing pin spring and trigger mechanism out but a 'close enough' measurement is to drop the firing pin and see how close the bolt handle and reciever cam comes to touching when you lift the bolt handle to recock the bolt. There should be minimal clerance between the front edge of the bolt handle and most rearward portion of the receiver's rear bridge.

Supoosedly due to Remington changing the forging moulds which resulted in bolt handles having surfaces that did not work as well with the receiver's cam, followed by a change in process meaning the bolt handle was used to set headspace... not a good idea at all...

This is mostly gleaned from Long Rifles Inc (Chad Dixon) and his posts of Facebook and Snipers Hide.

I'm sure @gundoc would be a better person to ask about primary extractions and Remington rifles in general as I only own two and don't have experience of fixing a Remington bolt handle that has not been timed correctly (and then broken off... )

Just sharing what research I did before buying as I didn't want a lemon. Remington Firearms has great concepts and designs but their execution and marketing usually leaves a lot to be desired!

Originally Posted by caberslash

https://www.longriflesinc.com/produc...rvice-for-m700

Having gone over about a dozen RR prefix actions, only 2 of them were close to having contact between the bolt handle and primary extraction cam, others plain missed.

To get a proper look you need to take the firing pin spring and trigger mechanism out but a 'close enough' measurement is to drop the firing pin and see how close the bolt handle and reciever cam comes to touching when you lift the bolt handle to recock the bolt. There should be minimal clerance between the front edge of the bolt handle and most rearward portion of the receiver's rear bridge.

Supoosedly due to Remington changing the forging moulds which resulted in bolt handles having surfaces that did not work as well with the receiver's cam, followed by a change in process meaning the bolt handle was used to set headspace... not a good idea at all...

This is mostly gleaned from Long Rifles Inc (Chad Dixon) and his posts of Facebook and Snipers Hide.

I'm sure @gundoc would be a better person to ask about primary extractions and Remington rifles in general as I only own two and don't have experience of fixing a Remington bolt handle that has not been timed correctly (and then broken off... )

Just sharing what research I did before buying as I didn't want a lemon. Remington Firearms has great concepts and designs but their execution and marketing usually leaves a lot to be desired!

My SAUM was of the RR series, I suspect it was poor to start with I think (cant be 100% sure as it was never actually fired I believe before it got rebarreled for me) and only got worse once suppliers/gunsmiths faffed around with it. Who would have thought it was so complicated to fix!
I would not buy another Rem700 of late production ever.

Tikka t3 308, hardy suppressor, tikka rings and a brand new in the box burris droptine 3-9x40 scope $1500

Cheers for all the info, will leave the Rem700. Ideally buying local so don't have to deal with arms dealers also. Thanks again

Originally Posted by jpurdon

Cheers for all the info, will leave the Rem700. Ideally buying local so don't have to deal with arms dealers also. Thanks again

Just buy the Tikka 7-08 listed on here job done

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For the past few years Remington rifles have suffered several quality control issues, some of which beggar belief. The problems began when the solvency of the company was at risk and many skilled workers were laid off. In recent years they have been employing unskilled/semi skilled people who simply lack the knowledge required to produce items of consistent quality. These problems are caused by management being top-heavy and trying to maximise profits by taking shortcuts with the very product that is the sole source of their income. Selling items that fail on the most basic levels is a guarantee of business failure. I wouldn't touch a current Remington.

Originally Posted by gundoc

For the past few years Remington rifles have suffered several quality control issues, some of which beggar belief. The problems began when the solvency of the company was at risk and many skilled workers were laid off. In recent years they have been employing unskilled/semi skilled people who simply lack the knowledge required to produce items of consistent quality. These problems are caused by management being top-heavy and trying to maximise profits by taking shortcuts with the very product that is the sole source of their income. Selling items that fail on the most basic levels is a guarantee of business failure. I wouldn't touch a current Remington.

@gundoc and yet this seems to be the model for a lot of companies that buy for investment alone.
Then wonder why it all turns to poose.
But then I suppose they sell up and start again.
Brierlys used to be a classic for the asset stripping part of that back in the 80s

Tikka the only way to go. Hits the sweet spot with price vs quality. Save a a bit more and get something with a decent brand scope that dials up with 3-15 or 4-16 power zoom and you’re set forever.

Il count myself lucky then because my RR 700 functions wel and has had a heap of rounds down it and so far so good on my model 7 so il keep my fingers and toes crossed

@gundoc As an aside; from what I've read, the Ruger takeover of Marlin seems to have drastically improved the rifles. It seems like they are going the extra mile with them

Originally Posted by bumblefoot

@gundoc As an aside; from what I've read, the Ruger takeover of Marlin seems to have drastically improved the rifles. It seems like they are going the extra mile with them

Marlin were never terribly bad anyway but I have a lot of respect for Ruger designing and manufacture. Old Bill Ruger was a clever designer who was not afraid to use modern manufacturing techniques to improve production without sacrificing performance. Their current designers suffer from the usual graduate engineer problems but the pervading climate of the company suggests that old Bill's influence is still alive and well. Ruger firearms are good value and well engineered, just needing a little bit of a touch-up to make them first-class. The vast majority of their customers would probably never appreciate the difference!

Originally Posted by jpurdon

Hi all, looking to just get the opinion from a few forum members for this rifle/scope combo in the TradeMe link below

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketpl...5?bof=s4ksczCc

Its a 7mm-08 Remington 700 w/ Zeiss Terra 3x 3-9 (x42 maybe?). Guy is asking around $1300ish. I had previously been looking for a second hand Tikka in .270 but saw this and thought it was a reasonable deal on similar caliber. Just like to hear peoples opinion on the setup, potentially compared to a Tikka/.270.

Mainly hunting deer atm but looking to move into Tahr come Spring and keen to have a solid setup to be confident with. Hunting range would be max 400yd.

Cheers

@jpurdon , I have a 270. After reading what you are wanting to do I wouldnt muck round, buy philipo's 6.5 prc It will do it all and you will have it for life. https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....6-5-prc-82529/