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Great thread - and I find it amusing that my worst have already made the list!
First, a 10/22 that I got sick of missing rabbits as a teenager. Grouped minute of beer box. Ended up wrapping it around a strainer post in frustration.
Second was the parker hale midland in .270, a heavy, inaccurate rattle box. I sold it for $300 making a profit of $50. Best thing I ever did
The worst one I have had was a pos stirling 22 semi. Trademe special . Should have known better but looked the biz in stainless. Wouldnt cycle, shoot straight etc. Pretty much gave it away. Was in complete contrast to one I had earlier that was fine.
Ivor Johnson cycleworks single barrel external hammer .12ga
firing pin was sharp and would pierce primers,action was loose,forstock fell off if not taped in place
but in saying all that it shot great and didn't let me down.
Agreed, had one of them and was a bit of a lemon, barrel wasnt mounted anywhere near straight on it either, had my scope windage wound right out to hit paper at 50yds.
Also, had a rossi lever action 30-30 that I bought when I missed my old winchester 94, that was a bit of a lemon also but maybe I was expecting it to be similar to the 94 which it wasnt by a long shot.
For the record, best bargain I ever got in a rifle was my little norinco jw15 rough finish, bore isnt centre in the barrel, but damn those wee rifles can hang with the best of them when it comes to accuracy.
I had a Magnum Research semi auto in 17 HMR: that piece of shit nearly cost me my right eye.
It would jam every second shot, eject prematurely (hence the near eyesight mishap) and threw an ejector pin, jammed and blew the next shell up on the back of the one jammed in the breach. Took it into the local gunshop who mistakenly contacted the Ruger agent (as it was a clone using the Ruger 10/22 Magnum 9 shot Rotary Mag) and they were very interested as to its origin. Anything semi auto in 17 HMR I will piss on sooner than shouldering it. This rifle looked the business, but was a complete POS and was unusable. I was better off chucking my boots at the intended target.
I'm not a hater, I see some beauty in all the guns I've had.
Just like women - some are pigs, some are just completely useless, some ya wish you could just return & others you wish ya never'ed fingered in the first place, but they're all special in their own way :XD::thumbsup:
Ruger 22/45 MkIII — what the heck kind of precision firearm requires a "rubber or wooden mallet" to facilitate fieldstripping?
I must've got myself a good 10 22. I don't hesitate to take shots out to 90 odd metres. The other night both my boys got hares at 75 and 95 metres. Luck probably played a part, but 2 for 2 tells me it shoots not to bad. It's only got the 4x32 scope it came with and I vary the height by either telling them bottom, middle or top of head. Can count the number of jams on fingers, not needing thumbs. The last couple have been lumps of wax on the projectile.
My worst is my current BSA. The bolt flops around and doesn't always pick up the 3rd cartridge, who needs to fire 3 shots in a hurry. The trigger needs lightening, and a better scope would be nice. It has spent the last 4 yrs gathering dust, but have tried to like it again. I've just suppressed it, and replaced the butt pad. It shoots animals better than paper. It's going to get another chance or else out it goes
To be honest the Marlin Mod 60 I had briefly wasn't particularly accurate, but I believe most of them are. It might have just been a bit old/tired (and not helped by the heavy factory trigger), still hit rabbits but I don't think I ever had under 1" at 50yds from it.
I'd still be tempted to try another at some stage though if I see one at the right price, so its good to know about the trigger mods. How does the trigger compare with a Savage accutrigger once its done? (thats what I compare triggers to for reference as its what I'm most used to)
sks sucks balls good fun but being an x target shooter old habits die hard and if its not accurate its not worth haveing
Quite pleased to see none I've owned are on the list! But as we all know everyone makes duds and f-k ups from time to time
Two rules I believe in when buy any sort of gear.
1, do the research first.
2, while you do not always get what you pay for, the lowest cost stuff is generally low end stuff.
By adhering to rule 1, I have so far avoided buying any bad guns. So I consider myself fairly lucky in that regard. I have had a JW15. It was definitely not a gun better than its price would suggest, poor trigger job, rough bolt, average to poor accuracy (althought I am sure there are many even less accurate gun around).
I have a factory 10/22. Its accuracy was average (actually no worse than the JW15). After a barrel upgrade it is as accurate as my other KIDDs.
Hard to fairly compare a Kidd to a std 10/22, even putting a kids barrel on over doubles the cost of the rifle.
I have a Kidd supergrade, amazing rifle but it's not really a 10/22- twin lugged action bedded into a dinner glass stock with a free floated barrel threaded in. Blindingly accurate but I could buy 8?10? 10/22 for the price.
Not a worst firearm ever owned but a near miss.
I bought an AR 22lr upper (CMMG Evo) off Trademe with 3x 15rnd mags.
I was so excited until I used it and found it couldnt go 5 rounds (sometimes less) without a fail to feed, fail to extract or jam a live round vertically into the underside of the charging handle.
After a few nights of cursing and scouring the internet - I found that the solution was to polish the feed ramp and the bolt rails and give the chamber a gentle buff.
It now runs flawlessly (much to my relief).
If the internet is to be believed even CMMG admitted that this was common and the finish was horrible as they cut QC to get more units out the door.
Happy now but without a tidy up it was an absolute dog.
blue and wood 10/22 is 600. The barrel upgrade was a whistlepig. cost me about 400 I think, about 2/3 the price of a super low end 10/22. A KIDD barrel is about 430 to 560 (see USAguns), still not quite twice the price of a 10/22.
a supergrade KIDD is about 2,000, three times the price of a 10/22. not bad at all considering the price difference of a Annie 1712 and a JW15.
When I got a quote for insurance on the supergrade it came back at over 3k (I laid well under two on trademe)and have bought several new 10/22 for $395 with plastic stocks.
Your saying your 10/22 cost $1000ish, 2.5x the basic cost of base model 10/22. Hardly apples with apples
Yea but an Annie doesn't need twice what you paid for it to make it shoot
Worst I ever got was a Savage Stevens semi auto 22. One with a tube mag that was effectively a single as it would not feed no matter what I did. It went to the gunsmith and he had a go at sorting it out. It was still shit. Gunsmith said to drop it off at the local Gun city next time you come to town and I wil pick it up from them. So off I went to the local gun city with it in my gunbag. While waiting for the assistant to become available I had a little nosey at the brand new Norinco JW27 22s that were on display. After a few minutes the assistant noticed me looking at the Norincos and asked ' Whats in the bag?" I replied "A Savage Stevens semi auto" he asked to have a quick peek, which I had no problem with. (Presumed he wanted to check it was unloaded and safe etc) I had not said anything else as they were not addressing the fault, merely a drop off point for the Gunsmith. Before I could even bring up what I was there for, he said " I will do you a straight swap for one of those JW27s but I dont want the rubbish scope you have on it." (It was merely a brand he had never heard of). Without giving him time to change his mind I replied " Done, And I can fit the scope if you just take it off" and I walked out with brand new Norinco. I have had that now for over 25 years and shot many many bricks through it and it is one of the best rifles I have ever had.
I have never felt any guilt over it. If he had not assumed I was there to sell and I know he thought he was getting a good deal, then that his his fault for not at least asking why I was there......
Had a Ruger deluxe 10/22 for near 30 years, shot everything with it and it groups good enough for the job.
Only thing I had done was a trigger job.
I hope he means a std 10/22, every kidd I have seen shoots very well. My complete one outshoots my cz bolt gun
I have no idea how you managed that. KIDD sells supergrade about the same price or very little more than standard. supergrade simply has a rear tang, uses larger screws, and threaded barrel rather than V-lock barrels. so in a way barrel should cost cheaper to make. My first KIDD is a supergrade, brand new and 1700 without stock. I paid less than 300 for a boyd stock, did the inletting myself.
Even if you buy today, a receiver is about 500, barrel 500, bolt is 200, trigger is 500, plus a few bits and pieces you are looking at less than 2000 if you go with a Hogue stock and a factory mag.
they have not been that price for a few years now since reloaders sold their last few.
for the last few years, plastic stainless version has been about 600+
Ruger 10/22 Carbine Stainless Steel Synthetic Stock - ruger, carbine, steel, stock - Serious Shooters
22 Ruger 10/22 Stainless Synthetic Semi Auto Rifle
the blue and wood version is cheaper, but still 500-600
I am saying a new 10/22 today is about 600, a whislepig barrel costing 400 will make it shoot very accurately (but not easily as it still has a shitty factory trigger). in fact a KIDD superlight barrel is only 430, no importation is involved.
my 10/22 was a secondhand, it cost me 300, I got a gun bag, silencer, scope, and 200 rounds with it.
more in general these 10/22s that are really accurate you need to put extra bits on a lot of them to get them to perform sometimes theres stuff all 10/22 left buy the time youve put parts into it i know ive got one but stuffed if im pouring more money into it just to get it to go how it should in the first place and yes i also know there is the odd good one out there i just bought an old second hand mauser for stuff all and its a shooter without having to do anything to it
From a standard 10/22 the only thing you need change to get excellent accuracy is the barrel, 400 for a whislepig, or 430 for a kidd superlight.
If you want competition level freehand shooting, you will need to spend 500 for KIDD 2stage trigger. But you can go cheap and just stone the factory trigger yourself.
There is no need to upgrade the receiver, buffer, bolt, or individual bits of the trigger.
So your up to 1000 bucks if you can do it yourself you can get a good accurate 22 for less than that that would shoot well out of the box but that's a topic for another thread i think ;)
Firstly, I consider new factory basic 10/22 at 600 for wood and blue version and 700 for plastic and stainless version, to be overpriced. I would never recommend that to anyone. I certainly did not buy one at that price. But that is not the point of debate.
Secondly, despite new 10/22s are overpriced, 400 to make it accurate is actually not bad at all. the appealof 10/22 is the non-protruding 10 round mag, tolerance for any and all ammos, and the easy assembly. There are cheaper semis, sure, but most of them are more picky and less reliable.
If it were not so, 10/22 would not have been the best selling semi 22.
Correct. The Marlin has well outsold the Ruger and is generally accurate and ready to go out of the box. When I wanted a semi I checked rimfirecentral and did a search on Marlin and Ruger. The Marlin came out on top for accuracy and anyone who had both tended to take the Marlin hunting because of that.
The design of the ruger 10/22 is practical and effective. Well though out and the 10 round flush mag really tops it off. Problem is over the years the quality has fallen away significantly. They used to be one of the cheapest semi autos on the market and one of the better ones at the same time, but their manufacturing processes changed in the late 80s, early 90s and they got progressively worse. They still sell on name alone as for the most part they are still a very good design. But there are better semi autos out there at similar prices now, and and the choice is improving. For a better semi you could look at pretty much any other semi auto and for out of the box accuracy pretty much any other 22.....But most 22s are not as easy to alter, "pimp up" taylor to an individuals desire. New stocks, barrels, add ons etc are predominantly made for the 10/22. (and it could be argued these add ons are popular because the rifle is disappointing without them)
As for price, they were about $400 in the early 90s when I got mine new, then they climbed gradually to around $800 in the early 2000s. About 05 /06 when the US dollar climbed to 80c NZ we started to see them come in again around the $400-$450 mark and recently they have started to climb towards the $600 mark again. (Some are dearer depending on what add ons and where you buy them....)
I like their design for the take down, and the rifle itself. But the last one I owned had its best group of around 12 inches at 25 yards....!!!!!!!!!!! I have seen them do 1/2 and 1 inch groups at 50 but mine was not able to. Consistency in manufacture has let Ruger down big time.
must be one of the few rifles out there that you buy brand new and straight away have to put another barrel on it to get what you wanted in the first place