Ziess HD5 or.......

**Mooseman** · 23-03-2017, 07:43 PM

223nut and Shearer are right about the Bushnell line of scopes especially the 4200 and 3200 Elite series, not saying they are top of the line but they certainly work and are well priced. I see a lot of Vortex bashing also and once again they are good value for the money, the top models are as good if not better than a lot of Leupold models on the market.
A lot of people get hung up on those extra few minutes of shooting time you are supposed to get from top European scopes but in reality there's not a lot in it.
I remember looking through a Swarovski my mate had( I think it was a 2.5 x 10 it was a while back) right on dark and compared it with a 2x 7 Bushnell Trophy I had on my 7mm Mag way back then, I could define the same objects with both scopes so is it really worth the extra dollars? Some say yes I will stick to what I have even if it means walking away from a deer I can't see properly. If you are struggling to see an animal you shouldn't be shooting at it anyway.( ID Target !!!)

**Gerbs** · 23-03-2017, 09:17 PM

Ruling out the Zeiss. Just don't do it for me after some further testing.
Would like a Viper HS, played with one today, nice eyebox and worked well. Unfortunately the shop wasn't the cheapest and I can get it for $150 less elsewhere, just not this weekend.

I'm not a big Leupold fan, found them "tunnelish" with a shit eyebox. Head had to be precise to be right.
Weeeeeell I tried (at shops urging) one of the new VX3i 3.5-10 scope. Daaaaaamn.

Heading to Wanganui tomorrow for work, will have a look in the shops there - but will be buying a scope tomorrow.
In shop, as I don't trust Saturday morning couriers ;-)

Thanks for everyone's input - I looked at scopes based on some of the suggestions you've all made - scopes I usually wouldn't think of. Thanks :-D

**Danny** · 23-03-2017, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Gerbs

Ruling out the Zeiss. Just don't do it for me after some further testing.
Would like a Viper HS, played with one today, nice eyebox and worked well. Unfortunately the shop wasn't the cheapest and I can get it for $150 less elsewhere, just not this weekend.

I'm not a big Leupold fan, found them "tunnelish" with a shit eyebox. Head had to be precise to be right.
Weeeeeell I tried (at shops urging) one of the new VX3i 3.5-10 scope. Daaaaaamn.

Heading to Wanganui tomorrow for work, will have a look in the shops there - but will be buying a scope tomorrow.
In shop, as I don't trust Saturday morning couriers ;-)

Thanks for everyone's input - I looked at scopes based on some of the suggestions you've all made - scopes I usually wouldn't think of. Thanks :-D

Try the VX6. Way better eye box imo than the shitty vx3i.
I've had the viper hs and at high magnification I thought them to be rubbish. Just try and look at a Z3 before either of the VX3i and Viper please...
Happy buying.

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**Beetroot** · 24-03-2017, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Danny

Try the VX6. Way better eye box imo than the shitty vx3i.
I've had the viper hs and at high magnification I thought them to be rubbish. Just try and look at a Z3 before either of the VX3i and Viper please...
Happy buying.

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Agree, I have a Mk4 Leupold and a Vortex viper that both give quite bad tunnel vision, but have just picked up a VX6 3-18x44 and have used a mates VX6 2-16 and they are awesome!
Real easy to get behind, never have to hunt for the right eye position, the field of view is amazing and doesn't have any tunnel vision feel at all.
When comparing my 3-18x44 to my Vortex HST 4-16x44, when on the same magnification setting the Leupold FOV is noticeably better, not to mention glass is a heap better.

**sneeze** · 25-03-2017, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Beetroot

Agree, I have a Mk4 Leupold and a Vortex viper that both give quite bad tunnel vision, but have just picked up a VX6 3-18x44 and have used a mates VX6 2-16 and they are awesome!
Real easy to get behind, never have to hunt for the right eye position, the field of view is amazing and doesn't have any tunnel vision feel at all.
When comparing my 3-18x44 to my Vortex HST 4-16x44, when on the same magnification setting the Leupold FOV is noticeably better, not to mention glass is a heap better.

Thats about what you would expect comparing a $950 Viper HS to a VX 6 at more than twice the price.

**Beetroot** · 26-03-2017, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by sneeze

Thats about what you would expect comparing a $950 Viper HS to a VX 6 at more than twice the price.

Its a HST which is much the same as the PST. Which ain't much cheaper than the VX6.
The VX6 is just designed and built well, with FOV being something they must've put a fair bit of effort into. Unlike my MK4 or the Vortex HST/PST.

**sneeze** · 23-03-2017, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Gerbs

Ruling out the Zeiss. Just don't do it for me after some further testing.
Would like a Viper HS, played with one today, nice eyebox and worked well. Unfortunately the shop wasn't the cheapest and I can get it for $150 less elsewhere, just not this weekend.

I'm not a big Leupold fan, found them "tunnelish" with a shit eyebox. Head had to be precise to be right.
Weeeeeell I tried (at shops urging) one of the new VX3i 3.5-10 scope. Daaaaaamn.

Heading to Wanganui tomorrow for work, will have a look in the shops there - but will be buying a scope tomorrow.
In shop, as I don't trust Saturday morning couriers ;-)

Thanks for everyone's input - I looked at scopes based on some of the suggestions you've all made - scopes I usually wouldn't think of. Thanks :-D

VX3i has poor field of view, limited elevation travel and true maggnification is 3.3x9.7

Reticle: Duplex
Magnification: 3.3 – 9.7x
Objective Clear Aperture (in. / mm) 1.6 / 40
Linear Field of View (ft/100yds): 29.8 – 11.0
Linear Field of View (m/100m): 9.9 – 3.7
Length (in.): 12.6
Adjustment Range: 52.0 MOA

This is the one Ill be buying. Better across the board apart from price.
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