Used to have a 2.7 petrol as a work truck. Went well, wouldn't call it gutless.
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Used to have a 2.7 petrol as a work truck. Went well, wouldn't call it gutless.
Trying to find a late model hiace with decent seats in the back is hard work
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What's everyone's rego? My cruiser is like 230 a year, only 80 bucks more than the 'rolla
Think my ute was like 180 for a year
My Grand vitara does 480ks a tank which is between $120-140 to fill, pop it in 4wd and you watch the fuel gauge drop.
With the maintenance and RUCs I still think a diesel would be better for my next truck.
We have a '95 Super Custom with the 1kz and a manual transmission and to be honest I've never felt it to be lacking power. On hills that the almost empty Safari would be constantly slowing down on the Hiace would be accelerating all the way, full of family and gear and towing a transporter. Damned nice suspension as well but the 4x4 models are tough on front tyres.
Often hire the 2005 onwards 2.7 petrol hiace 12 seater low roof wide body vans, head up to Rotorua from Wellington and fill the van up with 12 people then tow a trailer with 12 mountain bikes.
No trouble doing this, yes it's a little thirsty 3 tanks return trip welly to roto and back, the old 2.8 non turbo hiaces use to do 2.5 tanks for the same trip, love the free revving feel of the petrol and overall the newer hiace being much more comfortable on the long drive. Although leg room for the driver is average and the passenger seat is even worse most of them don't even move to adjust..
The manual 4x4 has pretty low gearing so fuel consumption isn't great. But it doesn't matter if it is towing a trailer or not, seems to use about the same. Generally around 12l/100km. The modern engines do seem to be better economy wise but there is always the 'risk' with the flasher injection systems that cost a lot to rectify when things go pear shaped. Again, it depends on how much, how and where you drive that need to be factored into the equation.
One trick with the hi ace that I have seen is putting in a set of manual front hubs, sure the cv's are still spinning but it uses a bit less fuel. Probably not worth doing unless your holding onto the vehicle for a few years
Just done ours.
Suzuki swift 12 months $101.62
Rav4 12 months $152.05
Hilux back when I had it was just shy of 600 bucks and when I changed to the landcruiser it dropped to just over 400 bucks, i believe they have all come down since then tho and now it is relevant to the vehicles safety rating ?
Terrano 3.2td rego is $201 PA, petrol V6 one is $120.
I am biased towards diesels, I own three vehicles and they are all diesel, even my little run about hatch back.
I love the torque and the power you get from a turbo diesel, I drove a 1.3 petrol Toyota hatch back for a few weeks and it used more fuel and had half the power of my diesel (with is a lot older).
I think the playing field has levelled out a lot, once upon a time the petrol options in a ute or 4x4 were so thirsty, diesel was the far better option.
A friend has had a few late model AWD soft roaders for work vehicles, 2 diesels and one V6 petrol. As a sales rep he did a lot of driving, but carrying little to no load. He said the diesels were marginally better on fuel, but the V6 petrol had a lot more horsepower and was quiter.
The big difference was when towing his boat, the torque of the diesel was a lot better for towing, and whilst the fuel consumption increased a bit, the V6 almost doubled the fuel useage.
I think you beed to asses each vehicle individually, there is no rule in which one is better. If I were in the market for a new 4x4 or ute, I'd got for a diesel as I tend to do a lot of towing, like a torquey engine and just love the rattle of a diesel.
Pulled the trigger on a hiace supercustom, 1995 with the 1kz couldn't find the newer model with decent seats
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In my experience the difference between diesel and petrol servicing costs and be a material factor. If you were buying a new ute, say, then the deal Mazda offer of a capped $200 (incl GST) for routine servicing for the warranty period makes those vehicles hard to go past......
I reckon with the money saved on diesel vs petrol and better economy, you can probably afford to rebuild your diesel engine about every 100,000km with the savings over a petrol.
Based on $1.02 per litre for diesel and $1.90 for 91.
diesel = 12L/100km+RUC = $18.24
petrol = 15L/100km = $28.50
5000km = $912 for a diesel, $1425 for a petrol.
100,000km with a diesel = $18240 in fuel/RUC, 1500 in servicing (20 filters and oils) = total cost of $19740
100,000km with a petrol = $28500 in fuel, 750 in servicing = total cost of $29250
I get around 11 or 12L per 100km with my 1985 BJ73 for a mix of town/highway use.
15L per 100 is estimated very conservatively for a petrol truck (because I don't have one) but a quick google tells me people with FZJ80s are getting like 18-23L per 100km. My 1.6L petrol Daihatsu Rocky ran at around 15L per 100, on 96, which was painfully expensive on a road trip. I took it from Invercargill to Cape Reinga and back once and ouch.
Far as I can tell most other stuff (parts) costs the same. When something goes wrong on the diesel, it goes more expensively wrong, but there's also less to break.
I chose to buy a 2006 Petrol Prado, 4.0L 5speed auto over a 2004 in Diesel, similar ks on the odo.
The reasons - the 1KD engine is a dog. $450 for seats and seals service every 45,000kms would be every 18mths to me.
diesel - Higher service cost with more oil and more expensive filter. More frequent - every 10,000kms. RUCs, and higher Rego. 12L/100km.
2004 - 4spd box. 173PS, 410Nm.
Petrol - 15,000 km service interval. Half the service price. No RUCs. Half the Rego cost. Economy 15L/100kms.
2006 - 5 spd box 240PS, 377Nm.
My daily commute is 48kms round trip. If I don't go on hunting trips, my weekly fuel bill is no more than my diesel surf was, about $75.
However, when towing, it really sucks. The diesel would have been much better for economy.
But the power at the lights, acceleration is brilliant, and wow betide the rice burner who comes up behind me and thinks I should get out of his way....of course my Visa regrets it later.
That VVTi really sings at 4000rpm :)
I hear ya. I have 2 diesel Vehicles a 93 Pajero SWB and a 2009 BT50. The pajero has done 240K , never been babied and drowned twice, and apart from a wee gearbox repair and servicing costs me nothing but RUC and diesel and always starts / runs the other "thing" cost 36,000 second hand and has done 117K and cost in repairs so far is $11,000. Now we purchased a 3 year warranty when we brought it and another when the original warrenty expired so this cost has been met by them. The ironic thing is this was the most I have ever spent on a vehicle, the most we have ever spent on preventative maintenance and the lowest KM vehicle I have ever brought but over the 4 years we owned it would have crippled us if not for the warrenty (and thats another story)
Now I reckon it would not matter weather it was a Mazda, Toyota , Nissan or ............................................ we would have same issues. One of my mates upgrades just before the warrenty expires on his new ones as he reckons he could not afford to fix one out of warrenty with even a simple "few thousand dollar" repair
Diesels will become more economic to run than petrol the larger they get as the RUCs become a much smaller part of the running cost.
My wife has a 1.6 turbo diesel sedan which has wonderful torque and runs on the smell of the proverbial oily rag but she pays just as much in ROC as she does for diesel!
I was looking at some specs on petrol/diesel vehicles the other day and in one model, the 2.0 litre turbo diesel produced TWICE the torque of the larger petrol version at much lower revs and peak torque was spread over a 1000 rpm band right at the rev range you need it. No need to thrash them to accelerate quickly.
I went from diesel to petrol for a different reason - I would often forget to top up my RUC and would get pinged by a cop for it so that ended up being uneconomic
A stupid reason but I'll fess up to it