Thread: Hybrid cars what to look for.

Originally Posted by dannyb

Not quite.....
Ev= subject to RUCS
PHEV= subject to RUCS
standard ICE/HYBRID = not subject to RUCS

Basically if you have to plug in to charge your battery, you pay RUCS, but it your PHEV then you can claim your fuel excise back, but still pay RUCS.
If your Hybrid can only charge it's batteries via the ICE charging system then you will not be subject to RUCS.

And if you are a cyclist........................you should also be paying RUC's !!!

Every road user should pay RUC's then its genuinely user pays. The more you drive the more you pay. Of course the RUC's should be less as more people paying them AND then fuel should be cheaper as in petrol as RUC would take its place.
Rate should be the same regardless if EV, Hybrid or ICE for easy calculation/collection
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Originally Posted by mikee

And if you are a cyclist........................you should also be paying RUC's !!!

Every road user should pay RUC's then its genuinely user pays. The more you drive the more you pay. Of course the RUC's should be less as more people paying them AND then fuel should be cheaper as in petrol as RUC would take its place.
Rate should be the same regardless if EV, Hybrid or ICE for easy calculation/collection
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I think the cyclists should be paying for their emissions, hot air and vegan farts. And they are looking at taking tax off their fuel the buggers.

Originally Posted by mikee

And if you are a cyclist........................you should also be paying RUC's !!!

Every road user should pay RUC's then its genuinely user pays. The more you drive the more you pay. Of course the RUC's should be less as more people paying them AND then fuel should be cheaper as in petrol as RUC would take its place.
Rate should be the same regardless if EV, Hybrid or ICE for easy calculation/collection
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Nah. Cyclists don't damage the road.

Originally Posted by dannyb

Not quite.....
Ev= subject to RUCS
PHEV= subject to RUCS
standard ICE/HYBRID = not subject to RUCS

Basically if you have to plug in to charge your battery, you pay RUCS, but it your PHEV then you can claim your fuel excise back, but still pay RUCS.
If your Hybrid can only charge it's batteries via the ICE charging system then you will not be subject to RUCS.

What a stupid system.
Clearly the solution is to make everyone pay RUCs regardless of what fuel you use, be it diesel, petrol, LPG or electricity.

I guess they don't want to take the tax of petrol as they'll loose the free money from boats, lawn mowers, offroad vehicles etc.

In a nod to 'modern' thinkers, my Camaro is a hybrid, ICE and electric motors (how else can I start my 6.2 litre V8?).

Thanks guys its much as I thought we are a bit out of town so possibly not for us but thought it a discussion worth having.

Originally Posted by Happy Jack

Thanks guys its much as I thought we are a bit out of town so possibly not for us but thought it a discussion worth having.

Just stick to a cheap 2 litr or less basic petrol car Hj.
Low ownership n ks depending on yr budget.Petrol will be around for a few more decades.

Originally Posted by Happy Jack

Thanks guys its much as I thought we are a bit out of town so possibly not for us but thought it a discussion worth having.

It is and the reality is they will get better and cheaper.
Will have to figure out how to stop power companies charging a fortune.
But there are probably some on here who miss valve grinds, doing points ,cleaning sparkplugs and god forbid buy a Triumph PI with that new fangled petrol injection.

Petrol has RUC factored into the price at the pump.

Which is why farmers/foresters etc using petrol not on the road can claim the tax back (70 ish cents/litre)

The UK is heading towards RUC on all vehicles regardless of power source and yet currently they don't have any RUC, we will follow suit in due course as we do.

Originally Posted by Happy Jack

The UK is heading towards RUC on all vehicles regardless of power source and yet currently they don't have any RUC, we will follow suit in due course as we do.

Provided they tax the tax of the pump price then I don't have an issue with all vehicles having RUCs.
If they start dicking around with the RUC cost's though and giving special exemptions prices to EVs and penalising the "dangerous" vehicle, then thats a different story.

My manual 2021 flat deck double cab diesel Hilux has just done 37020 Kms & is sitting on 8.4 litres per 100 kms for its entire life with an average speed of only 39 kph

I use 4wd when ever on a gravel road which is often

I haven't seen an auto one come even close to that economy for its life & average speed, not surprising given how much the converter slips ,

Mine is happy enough at 54kph in 5 gear, 65 in 6th

I am extremely reluctant to get an auto Hilux

How much more economic would a hybrid one be ?

I guess they would only be a mild hybrid as well ???? time will tell

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

How much more economic would a hybrid one be ?

I guess they would only be a mild hybrid as well ???? time will tell

Rumours are the mild hybrid Hilux will only drop consumption by 1L/100km so less than the difference tyres, bull bars, driving style, unnecessary load, etc make.

Looks like plug in hybrid Ranger due late 2024, early 2025. Sounds pretty good (3.5T towing, 45km EV for toodling around town, still can off road) except for the price (>$85k)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/132...-plugin-ranger
Earlier version of article said price not released but is expected to be more than Wildtrack but less than Raptor. That comment has since been removed from the article.

Edit: here the version that mentions price https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/132...-to-nz-in-2025

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

My manual 2021 flat deck double cab diesel Hilux has just done 37020 Kms & is sitting on 8.4 litres per 100 kms for its entire life with an average speed of only 39 kph

I use 4wd when ever on a gravel road which is often

I haven't seen an auto one come even close to that economy for its life & average speed, not surprising given how much the converter slips ,

Mine is happy enough at 54kph in 5 gear, 65 in 6th

I am extremely reluctant to get an auto Hilux

How much more economic would a hybrid one be ?

I guess they would only be a mild hybrid as well ???? time will tell

I wouldn't be looking at selling that one any time soon!

Originally Posted by XR500

I wouldn't be looking at selling that one any time soon!

That's certainly how its looking

Apparently mild hybrid will be the only Hilux option coming sometime next year, auto only that will most likely use equal or slightly more fuel than my current one

The value of diesel Hiluxs is likely to go up