Thread: New Ute Dilemma

I think most of you are missing the mark, and focused on the wrong thing. It's not about saving the cash. If it was, he wouldn't have asked the question on here.

I'm in the camp of flicking a car before 100k. It's not a mind set thing for the current owner, more the new owner.

Tahr - you know you want a new ute. You know you're going to get one, regardless of what anyone says on here. You were hoping someone would throw up something compelling that would change your mind. They haven't - get the new toy

Oh yeah, given your stated usage, the new ranger is the obvious pick.

Originally Posted by Proudkiwi

I think most of you are missing the mark, and focused on the wrong thing. It's not about saving the cash. If it was, he wouldn't have asked the question on here.

Yeah. Just buy a unimog, that will drag all the girls

Have you considered the Mitsi Triton?
If purchased new get a 5 year warrenty with 10 years on drive train I believe.
I will be looking hard at one when we replace our Colorado.
Family has owned 5 Pajeros and still own 3.
Quite under rated and we have had less troubles with them than the "other brand" utes we have owned "far less" km's on modern utes too.

Originally Posted by mikee

Have you considered the Mitsi Triton?
If purchased new get a 5 year warrenty with 10 years on drive train I believe.
I will be looking hard at one when we replace our Colorado.
Family has owned 5 Pajeros and still own 3.
Quite under rated and we have had less troubles with them than the "other brand" utes we have owned "far less" km's on modern utes too.

They upped their trade in price today bringing their swap price down to $18,475.00 (for the top VRX model). I expect I would take a hit on the residual value of this run out VRX model in 3 years or so time though. But who knows, by then you might not be able to give diesels away. Toyota are running out their straight diesel Lux's for the new hybrid due soon.

Originally Posted by Tahr

They upped their trade in price today bringing their swap price down to $18,475.00 (for the top VRX model). I expect I would take a hit on the residual value of this run out VRX model in 3 years or so time though. But who knows, by then you might not be able to give diesels away. Toyota are running out their straight diesel Lux's for the new hybrid due soon.

The current Hilux will hold its price head and shoulders above any of the other models.

Diesel will not be going anywhere any time ever due to the huge demand from commercial transportation. Mild hybrids will become the norm but there’s always going to be demand for straight diesels. The current attempts to legislate in favour of electric vehicles aren’t going to work for anyone but urban and suburban dwellers for their commuting vehicles.

The 2.8 1GD-FTV and 2.4 2GD-FTV have outsold the other ute engines by God alone knows what multiple, as it is a very successful cross-platform motor found in everything from utes, SUVs, proper 4WDs and vans. They are found all over the world and have already proven themselves out to crazy mileage. At the end of the day the Toyota premium is there for a reason, the reliability reputation is what it is. Some bright spark will turn up and say oh I had such & such go wrong and I’ll never touch another one and blah blah blah blah blah DPF this, DPF that, and a whole load of other shit that doesn’t change the global reliability reputation one bit. The stats are what they are.

In Australasia you only have to look at the commercial fleets in the big open pit mining operations across the ditch to get a sense of where the trust lies.

If you are looking at the next vehicle being your forever vehicle then buy the Toyota.

Originally Posted by Flyblown

The current Hilux will hold its price head and shoulders above any of the other models.

Diesel will not be going anywhere any time ever due to the huge demand from commercial transportation. Mild hybrids will become the norm but there’s always going to be demand for straight diesels. The current attempts to legislate in favour of electric vehicles aren’t going to work for anyone but urban and suburban dwellers for their commuting vehicles.

The 2.8 1GD-FTV and 2.4 2GD-FTV have outsold the other ute engines by God alone knows what multiple, as it is a very successful cross-platform motor found in everything from utes, SUVs, proper 4WDs and vans. They are found all over the world and have already proven themselves out to crazy mileage. At the end of the day the Toyota premium is there for a reason, the reliability reputation is what it is. Some bright spark will turn up and say oh I had such & such go wrong and I’ll never touch another one and blah blah blah blah blah DPF this, DPF that, and a whole load of other shit that doesn’t change the global reliability reputation one bit. The stats are what they are.

In Australasia you only have to look at the commercial fleets in the big open pit mining operations across the ditch to get a sense of where the trust lies.

If you are looking at the next vehicle being your forever vehicle then buy the Toyota.

It's funny, my cousin is in a light vehicle 2nd tier assembly shop (think cab chassis conversions to minespec) out WA - they don't touch Rangers or Hilux's now even if the customer tries to insist. One of the main issues is electronic headaches trying to add systems on top of the CANBUS enabled utes, effectively the size of conductors in the new looms is not sufficient to supply a lot of the aftermarket parts. Another headache for them is the new vehicle structural components are so light now making up for it with design and higher spec heat treated materials that some mods require major inserts and reinforcing brackets which all add up to jack the conversion price right up...

Originally Posted by No.3

It's funny, my cousin is in a light vehicle 2nd tier assembly shop (think cab chassis conversions to minespec) out WA - they don't touch Rangers or Hilux's now even if the customer tries to insist. One of the main issues is electronic headaches trying to add systems on top of the CANBUS enabled utes, effectively the size of conductors in the new looms is not sufficient to supply a lot of the aftermarket parts. Another headache for them is the new vehicle structural components are so light now making up for it with design and higher spec heat treated materials that some mods require major inserts and reinforcing brackets which all add up to jack the conversion price right up...

Interesting comments, I’m currently working on a large WA mine site and probably 80% of vehicles on site are hilux’s , the remainder are 79 series land cruisers and management get around in prados.
The only vehicles that aren’t Toyota are light trucks that are either Isuzu or Mitsubishi.

Originally Posted by No.3

It's funny, my cousin is in a light vehicle 2nd tier assembly shop (think cab chassis conversions to minespec) out WA - they don't touch Rangers or Hilux's now even if the customer tries to insist. One of the main issues is electronic headaches trying to add systems on top of the CANBUS enabled utes, effectively the size of conductors in the new looms is not sufficient to supply a lot of the aftermarket parts. Another headache for them is the new vehicle structural components are so light now making up for it with design and higher spec heat treated materials that some mods require major inserts and reinforcing brackets which all add up to jack the conversion price right up...

I see. Not sure that I really understand what you’re trying to say here because all I see on site visits to the WA mines are hundreds of Hilux all modified to mine spec, with ROPS, tool trays, bars, aux power, comms, lighting, the works. I did a site visit at Minecorp in 2019 and it was chockablock full of Gen 8 Hilux being converted.

Care to tell us which company your cousin works at?

Originally Posted by Flyblown

The current Hilux will hold its price head and shoulders above any of the other models.

Diesel will not be going anywhere any time ever due to the huge demand from commercial transportation.

If you are looking at the next vehicle being your forever vehicle then buy the Toyota.

Wise man. Toyota has changed their strategy again after changed the CEO.They are no longer in chasing the market trends and get back to the original track, clean diesel for Western market competition, and hydrogen engine for the future.

Originally Posted by mikee

Have you considered the Mitsi Triton?
If purchased new get a 5 year warrenty with 10 years on drive train I believe.
I will be looking hard at one when we replace our Colorado.
Family has owned 5 Pajeros and still own 3.
Quite under rated and we have had less troubles with them than the "other brand" utes we have owned "far less" km's on modern utes too.

Have a good read of the fine print

Will residual value really matter that much?

@Maxx that's a clever little design feature. Running boards on the front also helps with repeated groin strain from the big step up!

As i said Tahr,what ever you are happy with.You like new trucks,go buy one.

If $20k is your budget, and the current vehicle is going ok, then I'd be trying to figure out how much maintenance $ you're likely to chew up in the next 3-4 years?
Then have a look at what current 200,000km Fords are going for and work back from there.

If you're bored of the current ride and/or a newer model has some desirable features, then I'd probably swap it out.

In Australia Toyota offer incredible fleet discounts. They try to own that market and their product fits well.

In the civi market and total sales of units, Ranger is beating Hilux and Isuzu is a distant third.

All round disc brakes, ride quality and tech package is way ahead in the ford. Hilux isn’t a bad truck, just an old truck.
Remembering that 95% of blokes use them like Thar, mostly blacktop, a bit of gravel and beach or paddock. Not like a miner does…


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