Thread: Toyota announced big Landcruiser spec change & price drops in USA

ahhhh but the deep satisfying rumble of a 4.5 V8 as opposed to the tortured whine of a 2.8 having its guts pulled out no comparison

I think the issue with the figures is it's comparing an elephant with a greyhound. Put the elephant on a diet and a training regime and with the appropriate care it'll do some serious work reliably with torque to spare day in day out. The smaller engine can do it on the odd occasion but if you try it routinely 100% of the time, like a loaded up greyhound it will end up needing to be retired and converted to a rescue dog or taken out the back and shot.

A good comparison. Feeding the elephant is getting expensive. Which one will be more economic over it's lifetime?

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I think if you remove the designed in restrictions on the bigger engine and free it up for long term efficiency rather than going for absolute power, it will be the better option for reliability and economy. My mate's experience with that generation 2.8 engine in a ute was after less than 100,000 of hard towing and heavy loads for work the thing was completely worn out. in another 20,000 it was returning 56L/100Km and running like a dog. Toyota claimed the mate was getting servicing done at an unapproved agency so refused any claim - despite the only work being done by the dealer and the service book completed as per. Washed their hands... The vehicle is one thing, the company's backup didn't win friends and none of us that were in the circle at that time have stepped foot in a toyota dealership since. Having said that, theres a few ford service teams that won't be getting any business either.

Originally Posted by No.3

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I think if you remove the designed in restrictions on the bigger engine and free it up for long term efficiency rather than going for absolute power, it will be the better option for reliability and economy. My mate's experience with that generation 2.8 engine in a ute was after less than 100,000 of hard towing and heavy loads for work the thing was completely worn out. in another 20,000 it was returning 56L/100Km and running like a dog. Toyota claimed the mate was getting servicing done at an unapproved agency so refused any claim - despite the only work being done by the dealer and the service book completed as per. Washed their hands... The vehicle is one thing, the company's backup didn't win friends and none of us that were in the circle at that time have stepped foot in a toyota dealership since. Having said that, theres a few ford service teams that won't be getting any business either.

Yeah our fuel consumption dropped significantly after a tune
I'll be interested to compare the efficiency of the cruiser and hilux tonight I doubt there's much in it.

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Originally Posted by BRADS

Yeah our fuel consumption dropped significantly after a tune
I'll be interested to compare the efficiency of the cruiser and hilux tonight I doubt there's much in it.

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I’m very happy with mine compared to my 2014 hilux. Way more efficient when towing and or deck loaded.


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Originally Posted by MSL

I’m very happy with mine compared to my 2014 hilux. Way more efficient when towing and or deck loaded.


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Yeah, we've got a 2018 cruiser and a 2018 hilux, the hilux went to dannevirke and back today at 9.7L/100km the cruiser came back from taupo yesterday towing the boat and it says 13.9L/100km so I suspect the hilux would use a lot more doing the same.


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Originally Posted by Proudkiwi

Throw up a pic of your one. It's mean.

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Looks a bit like a Mahindra!

Spent the month of March down on the SI west coast with the boat in tow. Kept an eye on all fill ups and kms done. The Patrol's big ol lazy 4.2 TD with 530,000km on the clock returned 10.9L/100km over 3500 km.

Won't win any drag races, but there's something to be said for big and lazy and turboed.

Originally Posted by vulcannz

Looks a bit like a Mahindra!

Nah, the roof line is only 1 story not 3 stories... Next time you see a mahindra look for it and you'll not be able to unsee it haha. "Turban tall..."

Originally Posted by vulcannz

Looks a bit like a Mahindra!

Almost identical, haha


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some one needs an eye test followed by a dettol gargle Mahindra the cheek

Originally Posted by BRADS

Yeah, we've got a 2018 cruiser and a 2018 hilux, the hilux went to dannevirke and back today at 9.7L/100km the cruiser came back from taupo yesterday towing the boat and it says 13.9L/100km so I suspect the hilux would use a lot more doing the same.

Not necessarily. 13-14L/100km is about par for the I4 1GD-FTV towing something like a decent sized boat or camper trailer. There's heaps of tests on YT with that engine in Hilux and Prado, lots of guys in Aus. The Hilux I drive regularly towing a 5m tandem trailer with a CamAm Defender, full dip tank, pump, hoses, dead sheep etc shows around 13-14L/100km on rough, steep hill country unsealed roads, going relatively slowly (prob 70km/h max) with 4WD engaged.

It's towing caravans into a head wind that the 1GD-FTV will struggle with. The long distance tests in Aus have it on a par with the V8 single turbo ute, but it ain't pretty for either of them.

What has been demonstrated again and again is the effect of accessories on fuel consumption - roof racks & roof mounted gear, bull bars, bigger tyres than stock, all the rest of the fruit. There's a significant consumption penalty to be paid if you run all the fruit as I do, out of necessity.

Originally Posted by Flyblown

Not necessarily. 13-14L/100km is about par for the I4 1GD-FTV towing something like a decent sized boat or camper trailer. There's heaps of tests on YT with that engine in Hilux and Prado, lots of guys in Aus. The Hilux I drive regularly towing a 5m tandem trailer with a CamAm Defender, full dip tank, pump, hoses, dead sheep etc shows around 13-14L/100km on rough, steep hill country unsealed roads, going relatively slowly (prob 70km/h max) with 4WD engaged.

It's towing caravans into a head wind that the 1GD-FTV will struggle with. The long distance tests in Aus have it on a par with the V8 single turbo ute, but it ain't pretty for either of them.

What has been demonstrated again and again is the effect of accessories on fuel consumption - roof racks & roof mounted gear, bull bars, bigger tyres than stock, all the rest of the fruit. There's a significant consumption penalty to be paid if you run all the fruit as I do, out of necessity.

Yep, the same with big boats. Parachutes basically, and any 4cyl engine is ugly in this application. Basically in marine engine terms you are operating the engine at 100% duty cycle, geared down and near full throttle just to overcome the wind resistance of the thing behind ya. The other problem with boats in the loading of a boat on a trailer is fairly ugly and often is marginal for weight distribution especially with big outboard or inboard engines. Where it shows worst is starting of having to turn, like on a T intersection onto a main road where you need to roll with a lot of power to get moving. Often it's a balancing act with enough power to get moving vs spinning up at the rear and not actually going anywhere. It's something that the 6cyl Landcrabs and Patrols, and the V8 Landcruiser do better with as there are more power strokes per rotation of the crankshaft which minimises the load/unload cyclic forces on the crankshaft. The 5cyl Ranger is one of the better options in terms of cost vs availability vs reliability but from my experience is still a little marginal in this application.